Cases deferred or denied, 48,593. In this group there are 5,643 applicants medically not feasible, 5,511 need for training denied, 3,347 applications approved-induction declined, 8,409 employed, 90 placed in employment, 12,838 training not desired, 12,755 no response.

The total number of disabled veterans in training as of August 31 is 16,102. Of these, 8,871 are in institutional training while 7,231 are in job training.

The total number who have terminated their training is 10,176. Of these, 1,040 have been declared rehabilitated, 7,456 have interrupted their courses, while 1,680 have been discontinued.

General BRADLEY. There were shown in training actually only 16,102.

Education and training, under Public, No. 346, part VIII: Number of cases in file (form 1950), 119,641; number eligible for training (allowed), 106,379; number in training, actually started training, 22.007.

Loan guaranties under title III: This is an accumulative statement of operations as of September 29, 1945.

Cumulative total of loan guaranty applications received: Home 26,701; farm, 815; business, 1,904; total, 29,420.

Cumulative total of loan guaranty applications executed: Home, 21,981; farm, 503; business, 1,575; total, 24,059.

Cumulative total of loan guaranty applications rejected and withdrawn on: Home, 2,969; farm, 190; business, 184; total, 3,343.

Cumulative total guaranty applications on hand: Home, 1,751; farm, 122; business, 145; total, 2,018.

Cumulative total of certifications of eligibility (form 1800) received: Home, 52264; farm, 3,441; business, 8,850; total, 64,555. Amount of guaranty commitments: Home, $36,604,738; farm, $585,001; business, $1,824,732; total, $39,014,471.

Payments to the unemployed during the last week of May, June, July, and August 1945 and during each week as indicated for the month of September 1945:

I believe this will show the rate of increase as it is going up.

May 26, 1945, the number was 28,838; total amount, $649,945.

And to shorten the details, to jump to September 22, 1945, the latest one, the number has increased to 81,266, and the amount is $1,953,439. The total amount from the beginning of operations to date is $34,695,138.

Payments to the self-employed during the periods indicated:

In January 1945 the number was 1,461. In August 1945 it was 12,349. The total amount from the beginning of operations to date is $5,819,777.43.

I believe the statement will show you the way the thing has gradually increased.

(The tabulation last referred to by General Bradley, entitled "Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944," is as follows:)

SERVICEMEN'S READJUSTMENT ACT OF 1944

TITLE V.-Payments to the unemployed during the last week of May, June, July, and August 1945 and during each week as indicated for the month of September 1945

Payments to the self-employed during the periods indicated

General BRADLEY. I would suggest that we might now start taking up the details.

The CHAIRMAN. The payments referred to are weekly payments, are they?

General BRADLEY. Yes, sir; they are weekly payments.

Senator JOHNSON. Are there any questions?

General BRADLEY. If you have any questions before we go into the details, I will be glad to try to answer them.

Senator JOHNSON. Any other questions, Senator George?
The CHAIRMAN. No, sir.

Senator JOHNSON. Does any other member have a question?
All right, go right ahead, General.

General BRADLEY. I would suggest that at this time we might have the detailed recommendations on each of these points as to what they will accomplish.

If it is satisfactory to you, I will turn that over to Mr. Odom and I will sit here and shall try to answer any questions that may come up. Senator JOHNSON. That will be satisfactory.

I do have one question I want to clear up. I notice on page 12 that

you say:

While no recommendations have been made to, or cleared by, the Bureau of the Budget, there are some minor deficiencies in the readjustment allowance provision of title V.

My question is, Have none of the recommendations herein made been cleared by the Budget?

General BRADLEY. Most of them have.

Senator JOHNSON. What you mean is simply matters of clarification?

General BRADLEY. Yes; some of the minor deficiencies, more or less for clarification rather than matters of important change.

Senator JOHNSON. So that this statement you have made here may be deemed to have been cleared by the Bureau of the Budget?

General BRADLEY. The important points; yes, sir. You will find that stated in the reports on the bill.

Mr. ODOм. Let me clarify that, if I may.

General BRADLEY. Yes.

Mr. ODOM. You have two reports. One, delivered this morning on the educational features. The other report, a copy of which was sent to Senator George in July, was a copy of the report made to the House committee on the bill which you have before you, H. R. 3749.

Now, that report, both reports, in fact, have been cleared by the Bureau of the Budget. Both reports contain our specific recommendations. It was our thought that those could be explained to you by the Assistant Administrator responsible for those particular functions. But, as General Bradley's statement here indicated, the Bureau of the Budget, in clearing those reports suggested, rather affirmatively, that the correspondence with the Bureau of the Budget concerning those reports, and which brought some of the controvarsial issues, be also supplied to the committee.

So we have that correspondence here with the reports. The reports necessarily are quite lengthy. The correspondence is somewhat less so, although it constitutes several pages. We can read it and will be glad to do so, if the committee desires, or it can be introduced in the record at some point, and we can then bring up the difficult points as they come up in the study of the bill.

I take it that General Bradley wants to do what the committee desires in that respect.

Senator JOHNSON. As I understand it, you will turn over the details of further explanation to the Department heads?

General BRADLEY. Yes. For example, the matter of education rehabilitation training, Mr. Stirling has all of the details of it. That is the first part of my general statement, and Mr. Collins, who is responsible for the loans, has some specific recommendations on changes on the loan features. Each one can supply something from their experience in administering the bill, because they have been actually administrating those features.

That is the reason that I suggested that they be permitted to suggest detailed recommendations, because of their experience in administrating them.

Then they can answer questions you may car to ask on how it has worked.

Senator JOHNSON. I think that would be a good way to proceed. If Mr. Stirling will come forward, we will proceed.

Mr. ODOM. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Stirling will read the report, and I will give you at this time a committee print-rather, instead of a committee print of S. 974, which you introduced, I will give you, if I

may for the record, House bill 3627, which contains the amendments by the Veterans' Administration recommended to S. 974; and which are explained in the report which Mr. Stirling has here.

Senator JOHNSON. Do you have copies for the members?

Mr. ODOм. I am sorry; no. We will get them, however, for you, before the session is over.

Senator JOHNSON. Go right ahead, Mr. Stirling.

Mr. STIRLING. Mr. Chairman, I might begin by giving you these

statistics:

We have received a total of 119,641 applications.

Senator LUCAS. What are you discussing now?

Mr. STIRLING. Servicemen's Readjustment Act; 110,213 cases have been determined to be eligible. The number that has been denied is 3,834. The total in training as of August 31, was 22,007.

Senator MILLIKIN. Mr .Chairman, may I ask how many applications have been made?

Mr. STIRLING. 119,641.

Senator MILLIKIN. How many were declared eligible?

Mr. STIRLING. 110,213. We have pending 9,428.

Of the 22,007 who have gone into training, 19,053 are in institutional training. While in training on the job, we have 2,954.

Those in institutional training who are pursuing courses below the college level, are 559.

Junior colleges, 198.

Teachers colleges and normal schools, 328.

Colleges, universities, and professional, 12,013.

Trade schools, and business colleges, 5,955.

The total in training on what we call job training, professional and managerial, 215.

Clerical and sales, 130.

Service occupations, 63.

Agriculture and kindred, 21.

Senator LUCAS. Mr. Stirling, will you explain the discrepancy between the number approved and the number actually taking the courses?

Mr. STIRLING. Senator Lucas, under our procedure, as soon as a man files an application for education or training, we issue him a certificate of eligibility which he may take anywhere in this country. He doesn't have to go in immediately when he gets it. He may look around to determine what school he wishes to go to, and when he is accepted by an institution, he turns in that certificate. Then the institution sends in the certificate and notice that he has commenced training to the regional office.

The Veterans' Administration has cleared all applications to date with the exception of 9,000.

Senator LUCAS. How long can he hold the certificate before using it? Mr. STIRLING. He must go in training 2 years after his discharge or 2 years after the termination of the present war, whichever is the later date.

Senator LUCAS. So he has a period of 2 years in which to use the certificate?

Mr. STIRLING. Yes, sir.

Senator LUCAS. And if he fails to use it in that time, the certificate becomes null and void?

Mr. STIRLING. Yes, sir.

Senator LUCAS. Can you give me any information, from what the Veterans' Administration has received in the way of letters or other communications, as to why there is that discrepancy there? It seems to me that there must be some reason why over 100,000 have been approved, and only 20,000 accepted.

Mr. STIRLING. Senator Lucas, as General Bradley pointed out, a great many of the men as of August 31 could not get into schools, because the schools were not opening until September and October. I imagine that the September and October figures will show quite a few of those having gone into training. We have received no criticism from veterans who have not been able to enter training.

Senator LUCAS. Well, it seems just a little unusual to have that many certificates out without them being acted on. I was wondering what the reaction of the veteran was, if he got a certificate and tried to get in, and couldn't get in.

Mr. STIRLING. Of course, Senator, the law places upon the institution the sole right to determine whether they will accept him. 1 believe that some of the boys have tried to get into colleges, and didn't meet the standards of the institutions and are now going back to other schools to make up the deficiency, like high schools, and what not. I shall now read from the report.

Section 4 of the bill would amend paragraphs 1, 2, 6, and 7, of part VIII of Veterans Regulation No. 1 (a).

That is title II of the Servicemen's Readjustment Act.

Mr. ODOм. That should be identified as House bill 3749.
Mr. STIRLING (reading):

These amendments would remove the distinction between education and training, and refresher and retraining courses. This distinction has proved very difficult of administration and confusing to veterans applying for education and training. These amendments would also remove the distinction between veterans under 25 years of age and those over 25 years of age at the time of entrance into service.

Senator JOHNSON. What section was that?

Mr. STIRLING. That is section 4.

Mr. ODOм. I am sorry. That is the bill which I just gave you, not 3749. I was wrong. It is the bill I just gave the chairman.

Senator JOHNSON. 3627?

Mr. ОDOм. That is it.

Mr. STIRLING (reading):

The distinction between the two age groups has caused considerable dissatisfaction among veterans; it has given rise to much misunderstanding of the purposes of the act and has complicated administration of benefits. The length of the course or program under part VIII may not exceed 4 years or such lesser time as may be required for the course or program of education or training chosen by the individual.

In other words, if the course of training is completed in less than the entire period for which the individual was eligible for training, the excess time may not be used as part of some other course. This restriction is designed to prevent continuation of training which would serve no useful purpose; and also to bring about a well-planned training program in advance, subject, of course, to subsequent change for satisfactory reasons.

It is believed that these amendments will not result in considerable increase in the ultimate cost of education or training under part VIII, but will simplify