our 1949 program, which represented about a 20-percent cut in personnel in your section or division. Is that correct? Mr. MOORE. That is correct. Mr. PRESTON. Will you explain to me this item of plus 16 for 1951? Does that represent 16 more employees you are intending to use in 1951? Mr. MOORE. No, sir. That is to maintain an average employment of 399. We will fill about six vacancies for next year. Mr. PRESTON. Now, if you have an average employment of 399 during fiscal 1951, will you still have a reduction of 101 personnel from the 1949 level? Mr. MOORE. We will have about 95. CAB CERTIFICATION OF STOPS WITHOUT AIRPORTS Mr. ROONEY. With regard to the matter we discussed a while ago of the Civil Aeronautics Board certificating locations where you have to go in and spend money, in a number of instances have you had the CAB designate locations for transport service points where there are no airports at all? Mr. MOORE. Yes, sir; there have been a few cases. Mr. ROONEY. How many? Mr. MOORE. Probably about 15. Mr. ROONEY. What are the locations? Mr. MOORE. I would have to furnish that for the record. I do not have that with me. Mr. ROONEY. Then you are going to have to come back here again, because I want to develop that. How soon can you get it for us? Mr. STAFFORD. It would take considerable time to dig that out. Mr. ROONEY. I not only want the figures in the record, but I want the opportunity to inquire into it further. Mr. CAWLEY. Your question is, Can they have that back here this afternoon; is it not? Mr. ROONEY. Yes; so we can take it up this afternoon. Mr. STAFFORD. You mean there was no airport there at the time the location was certificated? Mr. ROONEY. That is right. Mr. CAWLEY. Can we have that this afternoon? Mr. NYROP. We will try to have that this afternoon. Mr. ROONEY. And I want somebody here who can tell us about each one of those locations and who were concerned, which air lines,etc. (NOTE. A further discussion of this subject will be found on p. 1706.) OFFERS OF GRANTS Mr. STEFAN. On this chart entitled "Status of Federal Aid Airport Program," there is one blank symbol, "Offers." What does that mean? Mr. MOORE. We made a grant offer to the city after they applied for the funds. Mr. STEFAN. And nothing has been done about it; is that it? Mr. MOORE. That is correct. Mr. STEFAN. Then why is it here, if nothing has been done about it? It is to show what-that the offers as of December 1949 were pretty high, or is that an estimate? The offers are higher than the agreements or expenditures and allocations? Mr. MOORE. They make application to us for a grant, and then we give them an offer. Mr. STEFAN. Do you base your obligations on that, too? Mr. Cooк. No, sir; the obligations are based on the grant agree ments. Mr. STEFAN. They are based on the agreements? Mr. Cook. That is right. Mr. STEFAN. Then why is "Offers" here at all, if nothing has been done about it? No money has been allocated? Mr. Cook. Yes, sir. Mr. STEFAN. Money has been allocated? Mr. Cook. Yes, sir. When a project application comes in to the Civil Aeronautics Administration, they review it, and after it is approved they tentatively give a grant offer back to the sponsor. Mr. STEFAN. The sum of those offers in the book shows the total Federal airports program for 1951? Mr. Cook. No, sir. There are no offers in the book. Mr. STEFAN. There are no offers in the book? Mr. Cook. No, sir. Mr. STEFAN. Those are actual obligations; are they? Mr. Cook. That is our tentative program for next year. There have been no obligations made against the 1951 money to date. Mr. STEFAN. And won't be until you get your appropriation here? Mr. Cook. That is right; and then we are going to tentatively allocate it to those specific projects in the book. Mr. STEFAN. But they are included in the chart. Mr. Cook. No, sir. That is the 1951 book you have in front of you. COST OF TENTATIVE PROGRAM Mr. STEFAN. What is the total amount of money represented in this tentative program? You do not give the total in here. Mr. Cook. That is right. The grand total is $41,868,224. Mr. STEFAN. That is the Federal share? Mr. Cook. That is the Federal share; yes, sir. Mr. STEFAN. What is the sponsors' share in this total program? Mr. Cook. The sponsors' share is $42,635,960, making a totalMr. STEFAN. That is all I want. How much of this $41,868,224 is represented in your request of the committee, in your justifications on the red sheets at page 299? Mr. Cook. $36,700,000. Mr. STEFAN. Well, that does not add up. Mr. Cook. That is right. It is estimated we will reapportion at the end of the fiscal year. CARRY-OVER FUNDS Mr. STEFAN. That explains it. Now, if the committee grants you $36,700,000 and you have presently $17,000,000 to reapportion, how much of that $17,000,000 would you add to this? Mr. Cook. We do not presently have $17,000,000. Mr. STEFAN. How much do you have? Mr. Cook. Six million dollars, that we will add to that. Mr. STEFAN. Is that all that is left in the Treasury of reapportionment funds? Mr. Cook. It is estimated we will have an unobligated balance which will be available for redistribution amounting to approximately $6,000,000 at the close of the fiscal year. Mr. STEFAN. Then the difference between the $6,000,000 and the $17,000,000 has already been spent? Mr. Cook. That is right. Mr. STEFAN. So that you have left approximately $6,000,000 which you are going to add to that? Mr. Cook. To the $36,700,000. Mr. STEFAN. That would make a balance for the tentative program of approximately Mr. Cook. $41,868,224. Mr. STEFAN. How much did you ask of the budget for this? Mr. Cook. We asked the budget for $40,000,000. Mr. STEFAN. Well, I think the budget cut you $2,000,000 somewhere in here, did they not? Mr. Cook. No, sir. Mr. MOORE. That was in the cash. We initially asked for $50,000,000 cash, which was cut to $48,000,000. Mr. STEFAN. You asked for $40,000,000? Mr. Cook. That is right. Mr. STEFAN. And they gave you $36,000,000? Mr. Cook. They gave us $36,700,000 and $3,300,000 for administration, or a total of $40,000,000. Mr. STEFAN. They gave you what you asked for? Mr. Cook. Yes, sir. Mr. STEFAN. And the $2,000,000 they cut was in the cash? Mr. Cook. In cash; we requested $50,000,000 to be required during the year. They reduced it to $48,000,000 because they projected the expenditures on an average of $4,000,000 a month. Mr. STEFAN. How much of the $11,000,000 that you took out of the $17,000,000 which was in the Treasury for this purpose has actually been spent for this purpose? Mr. Cook. Of the $11,000,000 appropriated last year? Mr. STEFAN. No; that you had for reapportionment. You had $17,000,000, and there was $11,000,000 that you spent or obligated. How much was actually spent? Mr. MOORE. None was actually spent; it has just been reallocated. Mr. STEFAN. It has just been reallocated; it has not been spent at all? Mr. MOORE. No, sir. Mr. STEFAN. When it is obligated, the contract has been made with the sponsor and everything closed up? Mr. Cook. That is right. Mr. STEFAN. So that there is nothing left there? Mr. MOORE. No. Mr. STEFAN. Public Law 382 is mandatory? Mr. Cook. That we reapportion unused State balances. Mr. STEFAN. It does not say "may be;" it says "shall be;" and you take that as a must in the law? Mr. Cook. That is correct. ALLOCATIONS TO LARGER AIRPORTS Mr. STEFAN. In setting up these apportionments, you stated a little while ago perhaps the big airports won't get as much money as they would have gotten if this law were not in effect. Mr. Cook. We stated the big airports will possibly benefit by Public Law 382. Mr. STEFAN. They will? Mr. Cook. Yes, sir. PROGRAMS OF STATES AND TERRITORIES Mr. STEFAN. According to your break-down there are about five States that will get $5,000,000 more than the other 48 States. California, Illinois, Texas-I note Texas has about 48 projects, more projects than any other State in the Union. Mr. Cook. Yes, sir. Mr. STEFAN. Texas, Pennsylvania, and California get $5,000,000 more each? Mr. Cooк. That is right. Mr. STEFAN. Texas has a big area. Mr. MOORE. They have a big State allocation due to area. Mr. STEFAN. Five or six States get $5,000,000 more each, but I notice there are some blank spaces. For instance, North Dakota has no project at all. It seems to be the only State in there that has no project. Mr. Cook. That is right. Mr. STEFAN. They have not one project for 1951. Why? Mr. Cook. The agency has not requested any funds. They are located in the national airport plan just by having their priorities of public works. Mr. STEFAN. Is that the only State in the Union where they have no program? Mr. MOORE. They have a program. Mr. Cook. But nothing is in here for 1951. Mr. MOORE. Nothing is in here for 1951, but we have some actual projects there at the present time. Mr. STEFAN. Then I notice the District of Columbia has no program for 1951. Mr. MOORE. That is correct. Mr. STEFAN. I also notice that in Hawaii the sponsor is putting up $156,000 for their share; Puerto Rico is putting up $500,000 as the local sponsor's share; the Virgin Islands are putting up $12,500 as the sponsor's share. What is the difference between the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico, and Alaska? Who puts up the money in Puerto Rico? Mr. MOORE. The insular government there. Mr. STEFAN. Who puts up the money in the Virgin Islands? Mr. Cooк. The Government puts it up there. Mr. STEFAN. Who puts up the $156,000 in Hawaii? Mr. Cook. The government of the Territory of Hawaii. AIRPORTS IN ALASKA Mr. STEFAN. In Alaska we are building airports at the expense of the taxpayers of the United States, and there is no sponsor's share at all? Mr. Cook. Yes; there is. Mr. STEFAN. Why is that? Mr. Cook. We have several projects in Alaska at small fields where we contribute 75 percent in accordance with the act and the Territory contributes only 25 percent. Mr. STEFAN. They why do we want to place a construction program in Alaska at a total expense to the Federal Government of $14,000,000? Mr. Cook. Well, Alaska is sparsely settled and does not really have the money. They have small amounts in small communities where they are public-spirited, and in those communities we have small development projects, but I do not believe you could get the population of Alaska to support these big projects. Mr. STEFAN. You say you do have it in some cases? Mr. STEFAN. How many project do you have in Alaska where the sponsors are putting up any money at all? Here you have the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and Hawaii where the sponsors are taking their share of the expense, the same as the taxpayers in the other 48 States of the Union. Is there some discrimination, or are you going to have one part of this program here that the Federal Government will support purely at the expense of the taxpayers of the 48 States and where they will get three or four fields where there are no sponsors, or do you make a search into the possibility of getting some local contribution so as to put them on an even basis with the rest of the people, on the same basis as Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Hawaii? Why should they have any preference shown them? Mr. Cook. In Alaska? Mr. STEFAN. Yes. Tell me how many projects there are that are being participated in under the regular Federal Airport Act. Mr. Cook. There are six projects up there at the present time. The total sponsors' share is $199,900. Mr. STEFAN. Who are the sponsors? Mr. Cook. We have a project at Dillingham, we have one at Port Yukon, one at Kotzebu, one at Amchitka, one at Fillmore, and one at Cordova. Those are the locations. Mr. STEFAN. Who are the sponsors-those communities? Mr. MOORE. The sponsors are the communities throughout the Territory. Mr. STEFAN. Then why do you elect to spend $14,000,000 on projects that we have to pay for outright where there is no sponsorship? Is there some reason for it? We will get into that, I suppose, when we get into the Alaskan program. We are not up to that yet. I suppose there will be an item here solely on Alaska. Mr. NYROP. Yes; for two airports in Alaska. Mr. STEFAN. Then I will defer my questions until that time. Mr. NYROP. The projects Mr. Cook read off here are projects at various small communities. The Territory of Alaska, since the war, put into effect a small transportation gasoline tax, and a certian |