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Cusack, Lawrence X., attorney for Roman Catholic archdiocese of New

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Wilder, Duane, chairman, and David Gerard, executive director, Gover-
nor's Committee of One Hundred for Better Education, State of Penn-
sylvania....

Dailard, Dr. Ralph, superintendent, San Diego City Schools, presented
by Bluford Minor.

Palmer, Edwin H., Westminister Theological Seminary, accompanied by
William D. Valente, chairman, Pennsylvania State Federation, Citizens
for Educational Freedom..

Brown, Francis J., chairman, board of directors, National Association
for Personal Rights in Education__-

Allen, James E., Jr., commissioner of education, New York..

Prepared statement with attachment...

Biemiller, Andrew J., legislative director, AFL-CIO, accompanied by
Thomas Harris, association general counsel, and Larry Rogan, director,
Department of Education, AFL-CIO.

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Brown, Francis J., chairman, board of directors, National Association for
Personal Rights in Education_

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Cannon, Hon. Howard W., a U.S. Senator from the State of Nevada...
Carlson, Dr. Emanuel, executive director, Baptist Joint Committee on
Public Affairs, prepared statement...

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Fishel, Leslie H., Jr., director, State Historical Society of Wisconsin, pre-
pared statement..

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Sties, Lindley J., dean, and Totaro, Joseph V., director of teacher place-

ment, School of Education, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wis.,

joint prepared statement...

Straubel, James H., executive director, Aerospace Education Foundation,
Air Force Association, Washington, D.C...

Sulivan. Graham, chief, Bureau of National Defense Education Act Ad-

ministration, California State Department of Education; accompanied

by Dr. George McMullen, special assistant to the superintendent of

schools, Los Angeles city schools__

Totaro. Dr. Joseph V., director, Teacher Placement Bureau, University
of Wisconsin, Madison, Wis.; Dr. Jerrold R. Zacharias, professor of
physics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Mass.;
Dr. Earl R. Boggs, dean, School of Education, West Virginia University,
Morgantown, W. Va.; James H. Straubel, executive director, Aerospace
Education Foundation, Air Force Association, Washington, D.C..
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Zacharias, Dr. Jerrold R., professor of physics, Massachusetts Institute of
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Chart 1.-Relative size of Catholic school system, California, New Jersey,
and Michigan.

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Extract from Senate Report 652, July 31, 1961, concerning addition of
printed and published materials to title VII
Letter from:

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Advisory Group on Higher Education to Hon. Adam C. Powell, chair-
man, House Committee on Education and Labor, dated January 22,
1962.

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EDUCATION LEGISLATION-1963

MONDAY, MAY 27, 1963

U.S. SENATE,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON EDUCATION OF THE

COMMITTEE ON LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE,

Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to recess, at 10:05 a.m., in room 4232, New Senate Office Building, Senator Ralph W. Yarborough presiding.

Present: Senators Yarborough (presiding pro tempore), Randolph, Kennedy, Goldwater, and Jordan of Idaho.

Committee staff members present: Stewart E. McClure, chief clerk; Charles Lee, professional staff member of the subcommittee; Michael J. Bernstein, minority counsel; and Ray D. Hurley, associate minority counsel.

Senator YARBOROUGH. The Subcommittee on Education will come to order. The hearings will be resumed on S. 580 and related bills for the improvement of education in the United States.

We are honored this morning to have as our first witness the Honorable Frank E. Moss, a U.S. Senator from Utah. It is a great pleasure for me to welcome Senator Moss to the subcommittee for several reasons, mainly, of course, because of his energetic, able, and continuing hard work for the improvement of education. I take my hat off to him and his State.

In the last statistical compilation that I saw, 64 percent of the young people between the ages of 18 and 21 were in college in Utah, making Utah the No. 1 State in the Union in the percentage of young people of that age attending college. And among many other personal reasons for my high regard of him is the fact that Senator Moss and I served in the same unit for some months in World War II. Army Ground Forces, and became well acquainted with each other at that time.

It is a great pleasure to welcome you to this subcommittee, Senator Moss. You may proceed in your own way.

STATEMENT OF HON. FRANK E. MOSS, U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF UTAH

Senator Moss. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the opportunity of coming and testifying before you this morning, and before Senator Goldwater and other members of the subcommittee.

I appreciate the comments about the efforts that my State makes in the field of education.

We do indeed devote more of our uncommitted income to education than any other State of the Union, and yet we find ourselves in deep trouble, trouble so deep, at this time, that it appears that we might have a problem in opening our schools next fall. When the State legislature, this year, attempted to deal with the problem of teachers' salaries and operating expenses of our schools, the legislature fell so far short of what it provided that the teachers at this time have decided, by a vote of their organization, not to enter into contracts for next year. This is a very serious impasse in the State of Utah, at this time, and it seems to me it is an eloquent argument for some form of Federal aid to a State that is poor in resources-that is, personal income and a State that makes a great effort in the field of education, devotes a large part of its income to education, but still can't quite meet the standards.

Salaries of our teachers are below the national average. In fact, they are below the average of most of the Mountain States, and we just haven't been able to solve the problem.

But I would like to proceed with my statement which I will run through as rapidly as possible.

EDUCATION LEGISLATION BACKGROUND

As the chairman well knows, in both the 86th and 87th Congresses, I was a cosponsor of legislation to provide Federal aid for primary and secondary schools. I testified in committee; I joined in the fight to pass a realistic bill on the Senate floor.

In each instance, when a bill providing even a measure of Federal aid for our grammar and high schools was passed, I was most gratified. The bill was never exactly what I wanted in every respect, but I felt it was a first step toward helping to equalize the financial burden among the States, and assuring that every American child would be given a chance to get a quality education. I looked hopefully to the House of Representatives for favorable and final action on a similar

measure.

We all know what has happened. With each adjournment we have had to swallow our disappointment, and admit there would be no school aid bill that year. The whole question of Federal aid for primary and secondary schools has become more and more enmeshed in religious controversy, and this, combined with the conservative opposition which has always been there, has been enough to stymie the Federal aid to education bill in the House Rules Committee.

I am not as close to the situation as the chairman is, or as members of this subcommittee are, but if I read the discussions on this correctly, or if the arguments are coming through clearly to me, I cannot see that we are any closer to settling the divergent points of view now than we were in the last Congress, or in the Congress before that.

I stand as strongly as I ever did on the principle of Federal aid to education, but I am wondering if those of us who believe we should do something now for America's schoolchildren might not be wise to examine other avenues through which we might give some measure of assistance to our most hard-pressed educational institutions.

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