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COMMITTEE ON INTERSTATE AND FOREIGN COMMERCE

HARLEY O. STAGGERS, West Virginia, Chairman

SAMUEL N. FRIEDEL, Maryland

TORBERT H. MACDONALD, Massachusetts

JOHN JARMAN, Oklahoma
JOHN E. MOSS, California
JOHN D. DINGELL, Michigan
PAUL G. ROGERS, Florida

LIONEL VAN DEERLIN, California
J. J. PICKLE, Texas

FRED B. ROONEY, Pennsylvania
JOHN M. MURPHY, New York
DAVID E. SATTERFIELD III, Virginia
BROCK ADAMS, Washington
RICHARD L. OTTINGER, New York
RAY BLANTON, Tennessee

W. S. (BILL) STUCKEY, JR., Georgia
PETER N. KYROS, Maine
BOB ECKHARDT, Texas
ROBERT O. TIERNAN, Rhode Island
RICHARDSON PREYER, North Carolina

WILLIAM L. SPRINGER, Illinois
SAMUEL L. DEVINE, Ohio
ANCHER NELSEN, Minnesota
HASTINGS KEITH, Massachusetts
GLENN CUNNINGHAM, Nebraska
JAMES T. BROYHILL, North Carolina
JAMES HARVEY, Michigan
ALBERT W. WATSON, South Carolina
TIM LEE CARTER, Kentucky

G. ROBERT WATKINS, Pennsylvania
DONALD G. BROTZMAN, Colorado
CLARENCE J. BROWN, Ohio
DAN KUYKENDALL, Tennessee
JOE SKUBITZ, Kansas
FLETCHER THOMPSON, Georgia
JAMES F. HASTINGS, New York

W. E. WILLIAMSON, Clerk
KENNETH J. PAINTER, Assistant Clerk

JAMES M. MENGER, Jr. WILLIAM J. DIXON

Professional Staff

ROBERT F. GUTHRIE KURT BORCHARDT

SUBCOMMITTEE ON COMMUNICATIONS AND POWER

TORBERT H. MACDONALD, Massachusetts, Chairman

LIONEL VAN DEERLIN, California
FRED B. ROONEY, Pennsylvania
RICHARD L. OTTINGER, New York
ROBERT O. TIERNAN, Rhode Island

JAMES T. BROYHILL, North Carolina
JAMES HARVEY, Michigan

DONALD G. BROTZMAN, Colorado
CLARENCE J. BROWN, Ohio

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Strassburg, Bernard, chief, Common Carrier Bureau, Federal Com-
munications Commission__.

Symons, William, president, California Public Utilities Commission_
Wiggins, Ben T., chairman, NARUC Committee on Communications,
and vice chairman, Georgia Public Service Commission_----
Additional material submitted for the record by-

Farrar, Hon. Frank L., Governor of the State of South Dakota, letter
dated March 19, 1970, to Chairman Staggers..

Federal Communications Commission:

Correspondence between Dean Burch, Chairman, Francis Pear-

son, president, NARUC, and Senators Warren G. Magnuson

and John O. Pastore concerning enactment of S. 1917.

Letter dated December 10, 1969, from Commissioner Nicholas

Johnson to Senator Warren G. Magnuson explaining his rea-

sons for dissent to the adoption of public notice of Novem-

ber 5, 1969_.

Letter dated December 10, 1969, from Dean Burch, Chairman, to

Senator Warren G. Magnuson re interpretation of public no-

tice of November 5, 1969_

Letter dated November 17, 1969, from Dean Burch, Chairman, to

Chairman Staggers re proposed reductions to be made in

interstate long distance rates

Rates for interstate long distance calls to be reduced (public

notice dated Nov. 5, 1969)_.

Report and order (docket No. 17975)-In the matter of prescrip-
tion of procedures for separating and allocating plant invest-
ment, operation expenses, taxes, and reserves between the
intrastate and interstate operations of telephone companies
with dissenting opinion of Commissioner Johnson...

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Statements from State Utility Commissions:
Arkansas Public Service Commission..
California Public Utilities Commission _ _

Additional material submitted for the record by-Continued

Fuqua, Hon. Don, a Representative in Congress from the State of
Florida, letter dated February 24, 1970, to Chairman Macdonald..
National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners (NARUC):
Georgia Public Service Commission:
History of telephone separations-
Separations changes transferring
from State to interstate operations.

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Wold, Hon. John S., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Wyoming, statement introducing statement of Wyoming Public
Service Commission...

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JOINT BOARD FOR TELEPHONE SEPARATIONS

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 1970

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON COMMUNICATIONS AND POWER,

COMMITTEE ON INTERSTATE AND FOREIGN COMMERCE,

Washington, D.C.

The subcommittee met at 10 a.m., pursuant to notice, in room 2322, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Torbert H. Macdonald (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mr. MACDONALD. The subcommittee will come to order.

This morning the Subcommittee on Communications and Power begins hearings on H.R. 12150, which was introduced by our colleague, Congressman Fred Rooney of Pennsylvania.

As most of those who are present here today know, regulatory jurisdiction over the telephone industry is divided between the Federal Communications Commission and the regulatory commissions of the several States. The FCC regulates interstate and foreign telephone rates, and the State commissions regulate intrastate and local rates. These rates are determined in terms of plant and operating expenses involved in furnishing the telephone service. The combination of Federal and State regulation results in a situation of extreme complexity because most telephone plant and expenses are devoted to providing users with both interstate and intrastate telephone service. Therefore, telephone plant and expenses over the years have been allocated, or in the jargon of the industry, "separated" as between interstate and intrastate uses for purposes of ratemaking.

The bill before the subcommittee would establish a Federal-State Joint Board to prescribe uniform procedures for determining the portion of the plant and expenses of telephone companies which would be attributed to interstate and foreign operations and the portion which would be attributed to intrastate operations. Thus, the joint board. would carry out certain functions now performed by the FCC.

The joint board would consist of four members of the FCC and three State regulatory commissioners nominated by the National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners (NARUC).

This hearing takes place shortly after a reduction of $237 million per year in interstate rates has gone into effect with respect to the Bell Telephone Systems, and at a time when over one-half billion dollars in rate increases are pending before the State regulatory commissions. The Association of State Commissioners contends that the separation procedures which have brought about this situation are inequitable.

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I am informed that discussions at the staff level are currently underway between the FCC and the State commissions on the problem of telephone separations. We shall expect to be informed on the progress of these discussions in the course of these hearings.

Our purpose in these hearings will be to determine whether existing telephone separation procedures operate in the public interest and, if not, whether H.R. 12150 or some other alternative would best serve the public interest.

(The text of H.R. 12150 and departmental report thereon follows:)

[H.R. 12150, 91st Cong., 1st Sess., introduced by Mr. Rooney of Pennsylvania (by request) on June 16, 1969]

A BILL To amend the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, to establish a FederalState Joint Board to prescribe uniform procedures for determining what part of the property and expenses of communication common carriers shall be considered as used in interstate or foreign communication toll service, and what part of such property and expenses shall be considered as used in intrastate and exchange service, and for other purposes

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That this Act may be cited as the "FederalState Communications Joint Board Act of 1969."

SEC. 2. The Communications Act of 1934, as amended, is further amended by striking subsections (c) and (d) of section 221 and inserting in lieu thereof the following:

"(c) There is hereby established a Federal-State Joint Board (hereinafter defined) vested with sole administrative authority under this Act to adopt and amend from time to time by order uniform procedures for determining what part of the property and expenses of common carriers engaged in wire or radio communication shall be considered as used in interstate or foreign communication toll service subject to the jurisdiction of the Commission, and what part of such property and expenses shall be considered as used in intrastate, exchange or other communication service not subject to the jurisdiction of the Commission. Such uniform procedures shall be determined after opportunity for hearing, upon notice to each affected carrier, the State commission (or the Governor, if the State has no State commission) of any State in which the property of such carrier is located, and such other persons as the Federal-State Joint Board prescribe. The establishment of the Federal-State Joint Board shall not impair in any way the right of any State commission, the national organization of the State commissions, hereinafter referred to, or any other interested party to advocate its position on issues before such Board, to submit evidence and oral argument concerning same, and to seek reconsideration and judicial review of the Board's decisions.

"(d) The Federal-State Joint Board shall be composed of four Commissioners of the Commission designated by the Commission, and three commissioners of State commissions, nominated by the national organization of the State commissions, as referred to in sections 202(b) and 205 (f) of the Interstate Commerce Act, as amended, and appointed by the Commission. The Commission shall designate one of the members of the Board as Chairman.

"(e) Each State commissioner member of the Federal-State Joint Board shall be selected in the following manner. The national organization of the State commissions or a committee designated by it shall nominate one, two, or three State commissioners, as requested by the Commission, and certify the name, title, and address of each nominee to the Commission within ninety days after the date this Act becomes law, or at least ninety days prior to the expiration of the term of an incumbent State commissioner, or within thirty days after a vacancy occurs in the office, as the case may be. Within thirty days after receipt of such certification, the Commission shall appoint the nominee or one of the nominees as a member of the Federal-State Joint Board. In any case where the national organization of the State commissions fails to so nominate and certify State commissioners within the prescribed time, the Commission shall appoint a State commissioner as a member of the Board to serve in lieu of the nominee it would have otherwise appointed.

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