Discussions between members of the Committee on Finance and the administration witnesses:

Russell B. Long (chairman).

1, 4-6, 8,

89-92, 148-150 18, 19 17, 75-78, 141-144

16, 17, 19, 22, 23, 44–56, 71, 96-99, 118-123, 153-164, 166, 789-792 Clinton P. Anderson__Albert Gore__. Herman E. Talmadge_ Harry F. Byrd, Jr.John J. Williams_. Wallace F. Bennett. Carl T. Curtis__

Jack Miller____.

Len B. Jordan_

Paul J. Fannin_

Clifford P. Hansen__.

71-73, 126-128

19, 39, 44, 48, 92-96, 128-135, 792-800

8, 22, 43, 83-89, 123, 124, 130, 143, 150-153 17, 78-83, 95, 164, 165, 789, 800-806

20-22, 44 73-75, 124, 125 144-148

22, 75, 115-118

June 17:

Administration Witnesses

Hon. Creed C. Black, Assistant Secretary of Health, Education, and
Welfare for Legislation; accompanied by:

July 14:

Hon. Robert M. Ball, Commissioner of Social Security; and
Howard A. Cohen, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Health, Edu-
cation, and Welfare for Legislation___

Hon. Elliot L. Richardson, Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare; accompanied by:

July 15:

Hon. John G. Veneman, Under Secretary;

Hon. Robert M. Ball, Commissioner of Social Security; and
Hon. Howard N. Newman, Commissioner, Medical Services Ad-
ministration

Hon. John G. Veneman, Under Secretary, Department of Health,
Education, and Welfare; accompanied by:

Hon. Howard N. Newman, Commissioner, Medical Services Ad-
ministration;

5

56

Hon. Robert M. Ball, Commissioner of Social Security;
Thomas M. Tierney, Director, Bureau of Health Insurance; and
Irwin Wolkstein, Assistant Bureau Director, Division of Policy
and Standards, Bureau of Health Insurance, HEW__

119

Sept. 21:

Hon. Meade Whitaker, Tax Legislative Counsel, Department of the
Treasury, accompanied by:

Jerry L. Oppenheimer, Associate Tax Legislative Counsel‒‒‒‒‒

Public Witnesses

Affiliated Government Organizations, Miss Rhoda A. Ruff, president, accompanied by:

Page

784

Frank M. Karsten, former Congressman; and

Jack Daniels, counsel..

1054

AFL-CIO, Andrew J. Biemiller, director, legislative department, accompanied by:

432

Bert Seidman, director, department of social security_.
Allen, Hon. James B., a U.S. Senator from the State of Alabama.
American Association of Homes for the Aging, Rev. William T. Eggers,
president, accompanied by :

Frank G. Zelenka, associate director;

Rev. Charles J. Fahey, director of Catholic Charities, diocese of Syra-
cuse; and

Bertram B. Moss, M.D., clinical director, division of gerontology,
Chicago Medical School__

American Association of Medical Clinics, Dr. Edward M. Wurzel, executive
director

American Association of Ophthalmology, Dr. Charles E. Jaeckle, vice president and chairman of the committee on medical services and prepayment plans, accompanied by:

Warren E. Magee, counsel_.

American Association of Retired Persons, Cyril F. Brickfield, legislative counsel

American Chiropractic Association, Dr. Hoyt Duke, president, accompanied by:

Dr. William
Association;

S. Day, president, International

Joseph P. Adams, ICA counsel;

Harry N. Rosenfield, Washington counsel, ACA; and

E. Paul Barnhart, consulting actuary-

56

American Council of the Blind, Durward K. McDaniel, national representative

917

American Dental Association, Dr. Roy L. Lindahl, chairman, council on dental care programs; accompanied by :

Benard J. Conway, chief legal officer--

410

American Foundation for the Blind, Irvin P. Schloss, legislative analyst

953

American Hospital Association, Dr. Martin R. Steinberg, member of the board of trustees, accompanied by:

John M. Stagl, director, Passavant Memorial Hospital; and
Kenneth Williamson, deputy director, AHA.

967

American Insurance Association, Harry V. Williams, chairman, accompanied by:

DeRoy Thomas, staff, Hartford Insurance Group; and

Andrew Kalmykow, counsel, American Insurance Association_______.
American Life Convention, Robert G. Muchmore, vice president and gen-
eral counsel, Mutual of Omaha Insurance Co., accompanied by:
John H. Baker, director of planning and research, group assistance
development department, John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance Co.;
Patrick Redmond, administrative assistant, Claims Division, Mutual
of Omaha Insurance Co.; and

Kenneth D. Allen, assistant Washington counsel, Health Insurance
Association of America__.

903

1138

American Medical Association, Dr. William O. LaMotte, Jr., chairman, council on legislation, accompanied by:

Harry N. Peterson; and

Bernard P. Harrison, director, division of medical practice.. American Medical Technologists, Ralph S. Haskins, national board member, accompanied by:

1079

Worth Yoder, general counsel_____.

639

American Mutual Insurance Alliance, John D. Stringer, Washington coun

sel, accompanied by:

James S. Stickles__

1068

American Nursing Home Association, Morris D. Campbell, Jr., member, legislative committee, accompanied by:

John Pickens, general counsel; and

Gerald Bishop-

678

American Occupational Therapy Association, Harriet Tiebel, executive director, accompanied by:

Russell Dean, Washington representative_-_.

636

American Optometric Association, Dr. V. Eugene McCrary, chairman, committee on Federal legislation, accompanied by:

Dr. Harold F. Demmer, consultant on social security to the division of national affairs;

Richard W. Averill, director, division of national affairs; and
Donald F. Lavanty, director of Federal legislation___.

613

American Physical Therapy Association, Royce P. Noland, executive director, accompanied by:

Clem Eischen, chairman of self-employed section___.

622

American Podiatry Association, Dr. E. Dalton McGlamry, first vice president, accompanied by:

Dr. S. P. Nyman, executive director; and
John R. Carson, director, government affairs-
American Public Health Association, Dr. James R. Kimmey, executive
director

629

707

American Public Welfare Association, Wilbur J. Schmidt, secretary, State
department of health and social services, Madison, Wis., and chairman,
National Council of State Public Welfare Administrators___
Arrington, Hon. W. Russell, president pro tempore and majority leader,
Illinois State Senate, accompanied by:

806

John Briggs, deputy director, Mental Health Department, State of
Illinois

663

Association of American Medical Colleges, Dr. Robert A. Chase, chairman, committee on medicare and medicaid, accompanied by:

Charles D. Womer, director, Yale-New Haven Hospital; and
Dr. Robert Stone, dean, University of New Mexico School of Medicine_
Association of American Physicians & Surgeons, Inc., Dr. Paul W. Leithart,
president, accompanied by:

460

Dr. Walter W. Sackett; and

Frank Woolley, executive director__

351

Association of Areawide Health Planning Agencies, Symond R. Gottlieb, president, accompanied by:

William McC. Hiscock, director; and

John Donaher, director____

714

Beller, H. Neil, counsel, Community-Group Health Foundation, Inc., accompanied by:

Dr. Eddie G. Smith, director of health services_

1033

Bellmon, Hon. Henry, a U.S. Senator from the State of Oklahoma.
Berlin, Edward, Washington counsel, National Legal Program on Health
Problems of the Poor__.

932

891

Prepared statement of Laurens H. Silver, director.

893

Biemiller, Andrew J., director, legislative department, AFL-CIO, accompanied by:

Bert Seidman, director, department of social securityBlanchard, Clare, National League for Nursing, accompanied by: Jane Keeler___

432

757

Blue Cross Association, Bernard R. Tresnowski, senior vice president for
Government operations--

772

Boggs, Elizabeth M., chairman, Governmental Affairs Committee, National
Association for Retarded Children__-

918

Boyden, Dr. George M., president, New Mexico Medical Foundation for
Medical Care, accompanied by:

Dr. Hugh B. Woodward, member, board of directors_. Brickfield, Cyril F., legislative counsel, National Retired Teachers Association and American Association of Retired Persons.

456

1056

Bromberg, Michael D., director, Washington bureau, Federation of American Hospitals, accompanied by:

Sam A. Weems, director, legislative bureau..

Prepared statement of Sherwin L. Memel, on behalf of Federation
of American Hospitals__.

Burkhardt, Edgar G., national commander, Veterans of World War I,
U.S.A.

Campbell, Morris D., Jr., member, legislative committee, American
Nursing Home Association, accompanied by:

John Pickens, general counsel; and
Gerald Bishop__.

678

Chamber of Commerce of the United States, Henry H. Chase, accompanied by:

William P. McHenry, assistant manager, economic security.
Chase, Dr. Robert A., chairman, committee on medicare and medicaid.
Association of American Medical Colleges, accompanied by:

$17

Charles D. Womer, director, Yale-New Haven Hospital; and Dr. Robert Stone, dean, University of New Mexico School of Medicine.. 460 Chase, Henry H., Chamber of Commerce of the United States, accompanied by:

William P. McHenry, assistant manager, economic security--Christian Science Committee on Publication, C. Ross Cunningham, manager, Washington office___

817

603

Citizens' Committee on Aging, Community Council of Greater New York,
Ollie Randall__

1042

Community-Group Health Foundation, Inc., H. Neil Beller, counsel, accompanied by:

Dr. Eddie G. Smith, director of health services__. Córdova, Hon. Jorge L., Resident Commissioner of Puerto Rico, accompanied by:

1033

Dr. Ernesto Colon Yordan, Secretary of Health of Puerto Rico_‒‒‒‒. Council of State Chambers of Commerce, Paul P. Henkel, chairman, social security committee, accompanied by:

388

William R. Brown, associate research director. Cunningham, C. Ross, manager, Washington office, Christian Science Committee on Publication___

849

603

Day. Dr. William S., president, International Chiropractors Association,
accompanied by:

Dr. Hoyt Duke, president, American Chiropractic Association;
Joseph P. Adams, ICA counsel;

Harry N. Rosenfield, Washington counsel, ACA ; and

E. Paul Barnhart, consulting actuary..

Duke, Dr. Hoyt, president, American Chiropractic Association, accompanied by:

Dr. William S. Day, president, International Chiropractors Association:

Joseph P. Adams, ICA counsel;

Harry N. Rosenfield, Washington counsel, ACA; and

E. Paul Barnhart, consulting actuary.

Eagleton, Hon. Thomas F., a U.S. Senator from the State of Missouri___
Eggers, Rev. William T., president, American Association of Homes for the
Aging, accompanied by:

Frank G. Zelenka, associate director;

Rev. Charles J. Fahey, director of Catholic charities, diocese of
Syracuse and

568

1016

Bertram B. Moss, M.D., clinical director, division of gerontology,
Chicago Medical School----

760

Elliott, John Doyle, secretary, Townsend Foundation____

883

Federation of American Hospitals, Michael D. Bromberg, director, Washington Bureau, accompanied by:

Sam A. Weems, director, legislative bureau..

992

Prepared statement of Sherwin L. Memel, on behalf of Federation
of American Hospitals----

992

Freelund, Michael, associate director, National Association for Mental
Health, Inc____

425

Prepared statement of Victor Bussie president, Louisiana AFL-CIO, and vice president, NAMH..........

426

Page

Friedman, Eugene J., president, New Jersey Nursing Home Association__ General American Life Insurance Co. of St. Louis, Armand C. Stalnaker, president

565

913

Gottlieb, Symond R., president, Association of Areawide Health Planning
Agencies, accompanied by:

William McC. Hiscock director; and

John Donaher, director_-

714

Group Health Association of America, Dr. Ernest Saward, president, accompanied by:

James Brindle, chairman of the board; and
Dr. W. P. Rearing, executive director__

475

Harrington, Dr. Donald C., medical director, San Joaquin Foundation for Medical Care_..

488

Haskins, Ralph S., national board member, American Medical Technologists, accompanied by:

Worth Yoder, general counsel_

639

Health Insurance Association of America, Robert G. Muchmore, vice
president and general counsel, Mutual of Omaha Insurance Co., accom-
panied by:

John H. Baker, director of planning and research, group assistance
development department, John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance Co.;
Patrick Redmond, administrative assistant, claims division, Mutual
of Omaha Insurance Co.; and

Kenneth D. Allen, assistant Washington counsel, Health Insurance
Association of America__

1138

Henkel, Paul P., chairman, social security committee, Council of State
Chambers of Commerce, accompanied by:

William R. Brown, associate research director__

849

Herrmann, Richard C., president, Louisiana Hospital Association, accompanied by:

Phyllis D. Eagan, president-elect, New Orleans district, LHA; and
Raymond C. Wilson, past president, LHA___

1008

Hutton, William R., executive director, National Council of Senior Citizens, accompanied by :

Rudolph T. Danstedt, assistant to the president__

827

Indiana Nursing Home Association, C. Robert Norman, president, accompanied by:

Albert Kelly, executive director; and
Harry T. Latham, Jr., counsel___

412

International Association of Industrial Accident Boards and Commissions,

John V. Keaney, chairman, Federal-State relations committee, accompanied by:

Harry W. Dahl, industrial commissioner of Iowa--International Chiropractors Association, Dr. William S. Day, president, accompanied by:

1134

Harry N. Rosenfield, Washington counsel, ACA ; and

Dr. Hoyt Duke, president, American Chiropractic Association:
Joseph P. Adams, ICA counsel;

E. Paul Barnhart, consulting actuary.

568

Jaeckle, Dr. Charles E., vice president and chairman of the committee on medical services and prepayment plans, American Association of Ophthalmology, accompanied by :

Warren E. Magee, counsel__.

419

Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc., James Vohs, executive vice president, accompanied by:

Dr. Cecil C. Cutting, executive director, the Permanente Medical
Group; and

482

Michael Parker, legal adviser, Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc---Keaney, John V., chairman, Federal-State relations committee, International Association of Industrial Accident Boards and Commissions, accompanied by:

Harry W. Dahl, industrial commissioner of Iowa

1134

Kimmey, Dr. James R., executive director, American Public Health Association

707