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Mr. Aguilera

My profile document is still in the making. Here, I thought I would write down a few facts and observations concerning some of Vernon's key people, his structure, and some important background materials. I am sorry that birth dates and SSI's are rare but I will do the best that I can.

VERNON TALKS TO REPORTER ABOUT GUNS:

In January of 1992, Australian reporter Martin King travelled to Mount Carmel to interview Vernon. This is a fragment of that report.

MARTIN: Do you have guns?

VERNONI Yeah we have some.

MARTIN:

VERNON!

Following months of negotiations, we were finally
granted an audience with Vernon Howell, or, as he
now prefers to be called, David Kotesh. But our
interview got off to a touchy start when guns were
mentioned.

[vehemently They come in here with a gun and they start shooting at us, what would you do? Tell me. Be realistic. This is America. This is not Australia, this is not Europe. This is not where a country over-throws a bunch of people takes away there weapons, so that the people cannot argue any issues!!

DRUGS:

Vernon took possession of Mount Carmel some time in April of 1988 (give or take one month max). I was not present when that happened. Later, however, Vernon told me this story.

When they entered the property, according to Vernon, they discovered two things relating to drugs. The first was amphetamine manufacturing facilities, which Vernon called an amphetamine still. The second was a number of documents containing recipes and instructions regarding the manufacturing of amphetamines. The previous occupant of the property was, of course George Roden. But George allowed others to stay on the property and pay rent. Among these was who later went to prison for robbery and was considered quite dangerous by the waco authorities. It was also rumored that he was into drugs.

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Upon finding these materials, according to Vernon, Vernon informed the Sheriff's Department and turned over both the facilities and the recipes to the Sheriff.

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As I said, I was not present when that occurred. However, two interesting factors developed. After hearing this story from Vernon (about June, '88), I figured that this evidence would lead to the conviction of one of the previous occupants of the land. However, to my knowledge, no one was even prosecuted.

(Australian), told me later (after we had both

left the cult), that she was there when the Sheriff's Department visited Mount Carmel. She saw them interviewing Vernon: At no time did she see Vernon hand over any material or facilities to them.

From the Summer of 1988 to the time I left, there was one building on Mount Carmel which was off limits to all save Vernon. This was Lois Roden's old house. Vernon's excuse was that it had important Branch literature which he did not want disturbed (a poor excuse). In the Spring of 1990, however, that building burned down to the ground.

One night, in 1989, when talking to a few of us (I'm the only ex-member who was there), Vernon was talking about trafficking drugs as a way of raising money. He seemed very interested in getting money through this means.

THE ANARCHIST'S COOK BOOK:

Vernon's lawyer/member Wayne Martin, shortly before my departure, expressed a great deal of interest in the book known as THE ANARCHIST'S COOKBOOK. He thought it could be very useful to them.

One of the very first things I did after leaving was try to obtain this book (which I understand is not something you get from your average book store). At that time, I felt that Vernon might try to silence me and I wanted to see what kind of things that book would give him access to.

It was not difficult for me to get a look at the book here in Australia. In case you are not aware, this book contains quite a lot of information on how to make explosives, poisons and just about anything destructive. I understand the book has been banned in the United States (although I could be wrong). My worry is that if it was so easy for me to access, how much easier will it be for Vernon to access, with all the money he has.

VERNON'S HIERARCHY

Vernon's group is highly structured.

Basically, he is

the absolute ruler. Under him comes Wayne Martin (his adviser). Equal with Wayne is Steve Schneider, who is the high priest. Under them are the Mighty men and the harem. The mighty men, however, are under Vernon's command, not Steve. (I don't have the tools to draw it out for you). I

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On December 16, 1992, Agent Aguilera received from Marc Breault, via fax, information concerning the possible existence of an illegal

aethamphetamine manufacturing facility on the compound. Breault stated :hat in April of 1988, when Howell took possession of the compound located in Waco, Texas, that according to Howell, when they entered the property, Howell discovered two things relating to drugs. That the first was a ethamphetamine manufacturing facility, which Howell called an amphetamine till. That the second was a number of documents containing recipes and nstructions regarding the manufacturing of methamphetamine. That the revious occupant of the property was George Roden, but that George :llowed others to stay on the property and pay rent. That among these Deople who lived and paid rent on the property was one

ho later was convicted for robbery and sentence to prison. That it was
lso rumored, that Harvey was trafficking in narcotics. That upon finding
hese materials, according to Howell, Howell informed the Waco Sheriff's
Department and turned over both the facility and the recipes to the
heriff's Office. That
(An Australian Citizen) (no longer an
ctive cult member) told him (Breault), that she was there when the
heriff's Department visited the Compound. That she saw the Sheriff's
epartment interviewing Howell and at no time, did she see Howell hand
ver any materials or facilities to the Sheriff's Department.

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Austin, Texas at the Command Post. Agent execution of the search warrant, he and Agent

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tells him that, upon the are to perform the

clean up of the suspected methamphetamine laboratory. He also meets with an Immigration and Naturalization (INS) agent, who reportedly films the execution of the warrant.

Although SRA

cannot recall a specific time, SAC Ted Royster, Special Agent Davy Aguilera and two other unidentified ATF agents board the UH-60 Blackhawk and lift off from the TSTI Command Post in route to the hover area, aka race track. While airborne, SRA hears an ATF radio transmission from the ground, possibly Agent who says something to the effect that, ...we need to go in..." or "...we need to go in now, they moved it up...". With that statement, the helicopters move toward the compound.

A few minutes later, SRA s aircraft receives gunfire from a ridge behind the Branch Davidian compound, not the compound itself. Sometime later that day when SRA is able to return to the Command Post and assisted ATF in its additional requests for military support.

SUMMARY:

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was under the direct and explicit supervision of Texas State Interagency Coordinator William R. Enney, Lieutenant Susan M. Justice, and LTC William G. Pettit, Jr. SRA advised that he offered his personal opinions to ATF officials regarding the National Guard's aerial reconnaissance photographs of the Branch Davidian compound. LTC Pettit, Mr. Enney, and Lieutenant Justice have all maintained that, although the National Guard may comment about graph location on a map, it does not offer to law enforcement entities an official opinion on the results of Thermal Imaging System (TIS) or Infra Red photographs. This is traditionally not done, due to the inherent nature of numerous possible causes for "hot spots", such as a furnace or an oven. said that he offered his .. opinion about the existence of pipes sticking out of the compound pool area as a possible vent for a methamphetamine lab. He also told ATF personnel that the hot spot could possible be the result of a methamphetamine lab.

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Shipped on 3/26/92:

Shipped on 3/30/92:

ATTN: Mike Schrodder

Route 7, Box 555,

Waco, Texas, 76705

Fifteen (15) barrel unit and upper receiver,
assabled and test-fired.

Five (5) barrel unit and upper receiver, assembled
and test-fired, with Five (5) flash supprssors.

Special Agent Aguilera subsequently asked Inspector Souza if he came across any invoices and or purchases made by Henry S. McMahon Jr., an FFL in Hewitt, Texas. Inspector stated that he did come across an invoice with McMahon's name, reflecting the purchase of fifteen (15), 15 lower receivers with the following serial numbers:

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On June 30, 1992, Special Agent Aguilera learned that the "Mag Bag" Corporation, Waco, Texas, had received the following additional items from the following companies:

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