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JUNE 14, 1979

Panel I-Solar Energy Futures-Denis Hayes, Worldwatch Institute, Washing-

ton, D.C.; Paul Craig, professor, Department of Applied Science, University of

California-Davis; Gerald Bennington, associate department head, Advanced

Energy and Resource Analysis, Mitre Corp., McLean, Va.........

Panel II-Utility and Users Impacts-Homer J. Vick, vice president, Wisconsin

Power Light Co.; Dr. Kirby Holte, Southern Edison Institute, on behalf of

Edison Electric Institute, Rosemead, Calif.;

Don von Raesfeld, city manager,

Santa Clara, on behalf of the American Public Power_Association, Santa

Clara, Calif.; Alberta C. Slavin, commissioner, Missouri Public Service Com-

mission, Jefferson City, Mo., and David Roe, regional counsel, Environmental

Defense Fund, Berkeley, Calif..

Panel III—Solar Research, Development and Demonstration Priorities and

Strategies, Dr. Ken Touryan, 1536 Cole Boulevard, Dr. Thomas E. Stelson,

Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Ga.; Dr. Douglas Balcomb, Los

Alamos Scientific Laboratory, Los Alamos, N. Mex., Theodore B. Taylor, solar

energy consultant, Damascus, Md.; Dr. Henry C. Kelly, Office of Technology

Assessment, Washington, D.C.

JUNE 21, 1979

Panel I–Private Sector Impacts—Ralph Wilham, Sheet Metal Workers Inter-

national Association, accompanied by Walter Cosel, solar consultant; Ronald

B. Peterson, president Grumman Energy Systems, Inc.; Anthony Adler, Solar

Energy Ind. Association

Panel II-Energy subsidies and the Government Role-Dr. John Gibbons,

Director, Office of Technical Assessment, accompanied by Henry Kelly,

Assistant Director, OTA, Dr. Thomas B. Johansson, Environmental studies

program, University of Lund, and Secretariat for Future Studies, Stockholm,

Sweden; Prof. Duane Chapman, Department of Economics, Cornell Univer-

sity; Herb Epstein, Solar Lobby, Washington, D.C.; Herbert A. Wade, Missou-

ri State Solar Office

Alvin L. Alm, Assistant Secretary, Policy and Evaluation, U.S. Department

of Energy, accompanied by Fred Morse, Acting Director, Office of Solar

Applications; and Bennett Miller, Program Director, Solar, Geothermal,

Electric Storage Systems

APPENDIXES

A. Distributed Energy Systems in California's Future Issues in Transition ......

B. Additional material submitted by Gerald Bennington.....

C. Short-term solar prospects

D. Additional material submitted by Kirby Holte

E. Additional material submitted by Don Von Raesfeld.

F. Additional material submitted by Kirby Holte

G. Domestic policy review of solar energy

H. Solar Sweden Johansson

I. Solar lobby's 1980 counter budget

J. Energy for rural America, the White House

K. Department of Energy, Federal energy management and planning pro-

grams; proposed methodology and procedures for life cycle cost analysis

of Federal buildings

OVERSIGHT

NATIONAL SOLAR ENERGY POLICY

THURSDAY, JUNE 14, 1979

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE AND

TECHNOLOGY, SUBCOMMITTEE ON ENERGY DEVELOPMENT
AND APPLICATIONS; COMMITTEE ON INTERSTATE AND
FOREIGN COMMERCE, SUBCOMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND
POWER,

Washington, D.C. The subcommittees met at 9:30 a.m., pursuant to call, in room 2123, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Richard L. Ottinger (chairman of the Subcommittee on Energy Development and Applications) presiding.

Mr. OTTINGER. We have this morning a joint hearing of the Subcommittee on Energy Development and Applications of the Science and Technology Committee, which I chair, and the Energy and Power Subcommittee of the Interstate and Foreign Commerce Committee, chaired by the gentleman from Michigan, John Dingell. Unfortunately Mr. Dingell said he could not be with us to start the hearings this morning.

The purpose of our joint hearing is to investigate the President's domestic policy review of solar energy. Just over a year ago President Carter called for an interagency domestic policy review of solar energy when he spoke on Sun Day in Golden, Colo. In that speech the President, as did many of us who participated in Sun Day events in California, from California to Maine, greeted the dawn of what we hoped would be a solar age.

The domestic policy review, which involved a total of 29 Federal agencies and a good deal of public participation, was completed 7 months ago and submitted to the President for a policy decision. It is my serious hope that the policy decisions will be reached in the next few days so that in our second set of hearings, to start next Thursday, we will be able to discuss it.

I hope at this time the use of the word "imminent” by the administration in terms of issuing the domestic policy review is really meant. The administration has not completed its decisionmaking and it will be incumbent upon us in Congress to move ahead on our own, acting on those portions of the domestic policy review which make sense. Too much time has already slipped away. The country cannot afford more waiting for a solar policy.

I would like to express my own concern and, I think, that of our colleagues that, while the President has often expressed his interest in solar energy and his feeling that renewable resources ought to be the No. 1 priority of the administration, the actions of the administration simply have not met those words. In point of fact, the Congress and the two subcommittees in particular that are represented here have consistently been ahead of the administration in putting the development of alternative energy options.

I would like to particularly express my concern that the administration has chosen not to send witnesses who would testify with respect to the basis of the figures contained in the response memorandum to the domestic policy review. We had invited here this morning Dr. Melvin Simmons, the assistant director for analysis and assessment, Solar Research Institute, in Golden, Colo., to testify not with respect to Presidential decisions that have not yet been announced but with respect to the domestic policy review response document itself, which at this point every Congressman has and which has been written up in the national press.

We think that it is important, in our analysis of the domestic policy review and what can actually be accomplished in solar, that the basis of the assumptions and the projections that are made in the domestic policy review be subject to examination.

Dr. Simmons was ordered by the top people in the Department not to appear but, if he did appear, he could not testify with respect to any of the figures contained in that response memorandum. I think that is a bad indication of the administration's desire to cooperate with the Congress in advancing solar energy.

We intend to do what we can to rectify that situation, subpoenaing if necessary the members of the Department of Energy to appear and to produce this document and testify with respect to it; because, without the Department of Energy's input and without an indication of the basis on which they are making their decisions, the Congress is severely handicapped in its ability to be able to legislate soundly.

Neither Mr. Dingell nor I intend to put up with that kind of obstructionism. We will take whatever action is necessary to see to it that that decision is reversed.

One of the best things that has happened in this Nation since Sun Day, last May 3, is an incredible increase in the public awareness of, and desire for, solar energy. We can now regard it as almost an apple pie issue. Regardless of what the administration does and regardless of what Congress does, the enthusiasm and the interest both in the commercial sector and among the public is going to demand that we have this clean and infinitely renewable resource available to us.

I must say I take a considerable amount of satisfaction with this public enthusiasm. I think I and my colleagues, on both of the committees--and I have the privilege of being the ranking Democrat on the Energy and Power Subcommittee as well as the chairman of the Energy Development and Applications Subcommitteeat least have contributed somewhat in advancing the realization of the potential of solar energy to solve our country's energy needs.

For our hearings this morning we do have a very well qualified series of panels representing experts in the field who will talk about the specific potential of our solar energy future, another panel that will present the utility point of view and the possibility of our public utilities' participating in advancing the actual application of solar technologies, and the homes and businesses through

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