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ALANSON W. WILLCOX, GENERAL COUNSEL
REGINALD G. CONLEY, ASSOCIATE GENERAL COUNSEL
MRS. MARY MOULTON, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER
JAMES B. CARDWELL, DEPARTMENT BUDGET OFFICER

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(The information to be supplied follows:) DESCRUTION or Functions of New Positions REQUESTED BY OFFICE OF THE

GENERAL COUNSEL Positions requested to meet increased legal services and case workload are as follows:

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handling that work almost entirely simply as a part of the advisory service to the Public Health Service, to the Welfare Administration, and so on. We do have two attorneys and one secretary who have been working full time on civil rights matters.

Mr. FOGARTY. What would happen if we took out all of the request for civil rights and put it in your office?

Mr. WILLCOX. Chaos, I should think.
Mr. FOGARTY. Chaos?
Mr. FLOOD. What would be unusual about that?

Mr. Willcox. The civil rights work is an ongoing part of all of the grant programs, and it would seem to me that the administrative officials responsible for making the grants, responsible for enforcing all of the other Federal conditions that are attached to the grantsas you know, in public assistance, for example, there is a great variety of conditions that the States have to meet to be eligible for these grants—and the Civil Rights Act merely adds one more to those. It would seem to me that dividing the decisional authority in making grants would, at least, complicate the administration. Perhaps I exaggerate when I say "chaos.” Perhaps it could be worked out.

I should think it is much wiser to keep the decisional responsibility for making public assistance grants, for example, in the Commissioner of Welfare who makes the decision on all other aspects of the grants.

Mr. FOGARTY. Mr. Denton.

TRANSFER OF EMPLOYEES FOR WATER POLLUTION CONTROL Mr. DENTON. I notice that one reason you want extra attorneys is because of the emphasis on water pollution control under Public Law 89–234. In the event that agency should be transferred to Interior, you wouldn't need that extra number of employees, would you?

Mr. WILLCOX. We met this morning with the Solicitor for the Department of the Interior, sir, and tentatively, at least, our conclusion was, if this committee and Congress approved this request, that one of those positions would be transferred along with two professional positions we already have in that division.

Mr. DENTON. Three of the positions you need would be transferred?

Mr. Willcox. Yes. I think the request for increase must be made in our appropriation, even thought it is for transfer, if the transfer plan is allowed to take effect.

BACKLOGS
Mr. DENTON. How large is your backlog ?

Mr. WILLCOX. It varies in different parts of the office. A good deal of our work is work that really can't have a backlog much, because the grants have to be approved, and so on. We simply do the best we can to give advice as things go along,

We have a backlog in the litigation work in OASI, a heavy litigation load. There is a backlog in part of our Food and Drug Office. There is a considerable backlog in our Legislative Division on processing of reports on individual bills.

Mr. DENTON. How bad is that backlog on education? On public health how far back are you, the Pure Food and Drug?

Mr. Willcox. In Food and Drug, I can't tell you the figures offhand, sir. It would be in the processing, for instance, of the notices of judgment. I can get the current figures for you.

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