Mr. CARDWELL. It is being drafted. Mr. FOGARTY. We cannot do anything until they get the legislation up here? Mr. CARDWELL. No, sir. Mr. FOGARTY. When are you going to get it up here? Mr. CARDWELL. Quite soon, I hope, sir. Mr. FOGARTY. This month, or next month? Mr. CARDWELL. I am not certain. The Secretary and the Assistant Secretary will be here a week from tomorrow, and I think they will be prepared to talk about these requests in some detail. Mr. FOGARTY. Have you any indication from the legislative committees how soon they will start to work on them? Mr. CARDWELL. No, sir; I do not know. NEW LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS Mr. FOGARTY. Do you have any new legislative proposals in the mill? Mr. CARDWELL. The budget proposes two major legislative proposals affecting the Office of Education, one having to do with legislation to authorize guaranteed student loans as substitutes for the Federal loans under the National Defense Education Act, and also legislative adjustment of aid to school districts affected by Federal activities. Mr. Howe. Does the International Education Act also fall in this category? Mr. CARDWELL. That is not reflected in the budget. The international education legislative proposals, which the President sent a message on last week, are not specifically identified in the budget of the Office of Education at this time. There are funds within the overall budgetary reserves for contingencies which are estimated to be sufficient to cover what activities are actually authorized for 1967. ORGANIZATION OF OFFICE OF EDUCATION Mr. FOGARTY. Do you have any plans to reorganize the Office of Education? Mr. Howe. It has just been reorganized. I think what we better do is make the reorganization we have just had work rather than restoring it again. You are aware of the Ink Task Force, and during the past 6 months that has been put into effect. Really, we are continuing that job rather than reorganizing. CENTRALIZED EDUCATIONAL RESEARCH Mr. FOGARTY. You have in your budget an appropriation titled "Research and training," which gives the false impression that this is the appropriation that centralizes research and training in education. Do you know how many of your appropriations finance educational research, or educational training? Mr. Howe. Well, within the Office of Education we have in 1967 about $107 million in total research funds. Some of these are in vocational education and some are in other areas. But if you add up all the pieces of different appropriations we are seeking the total amount of research is $107 million. Mr. FOGARTY. For research and training? Mr. Howe. No, you would not put training in this category. Mr. FOGARTY. Why should it not all be in one place? Mr. Howe. Research and training, teacher training. Mr. FOGARTY. All the research and training so we would know how much is being expended? Mr. Howe. Actually, within our shop it is in one place. We have a Bureau of Research which administers our research activities, the Associate Commissioner in charge of research, and these funds that come under different enactments are concentrated in that one place in our shop. I suppose you could argue that there ought to be one single appropriation for all research? Is that what you are suggesting? Mr. FOGARTY. Yes. Mr. Howe. It would seem to me that it is better to keep these research appropriations related to the acts which set up various different types of activities. When we are talking about developing policies for vocational education, we ought to consult with the people who help us develop those policies about the research aspects, and the same with higher education and our other involvements. FUNDING ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES OF STATE EDUCATION AGENCIES Mr. FOGARTY. I have noticed a great increase in the last few years in the amount of funds that the Office of Education grants to State educational agencies for their administrative expenses. Will you please place a table in the record showing by appropriation such grants for the years 1960 through the budget request for 1967? Mr. Howe. I will be happy to do this. Would you like this by States? Mr. FOGARTY. Yes. (The information requested follows:) |