in allowing those exports to build up to the high percentages they have built up to. You shouldn't let it happen. Senator HANSEN. I imagine they are going to cooperate with us in not letting it happen. Let me ask you this. Does this approach offer immediate solutions or long range solutions to our energy crisis, as you understand it? This approach that you talk about, does it offer any solution, to say we are going to limit the imports they can make to this country now? Mr. Moss. It wouldn't affect the situation in the next few months. First, of course, countries may be thinking more seriously about threatening to cut off exports to us, if they know they are going to be put in this category, in which the restriction on imports from such countries will limit 10 percent of our total production. Second, to finish that, it would be important because if we limit the amount if imports from these countries and auction off the imports right to the highest bidder that oil will have to be priced higher in the United States which means that cheap imported oil won't push out the development of domestic resources and make the domestic resources unavailable in emergency situations. Senator HANSEN. I am afraid with raising standards of living in Japan the whole Western European economic community, and the consequent consumption of energy going up worldwide, and recognizing at the same time the size of the populations of the Arab countries, and the fact that they get twice as much for their oil, they need only sell half as much to get off just as well. I am afraid the threat we might pose to them at this time is a rather hollow one. They wouldn't be too exercised at this time because they can turn on any hand and find people ready, willing and able to buy their fuel. The Japanese have a tanker leaving the Arab countries and if you were to space them equal distances apart, they would stretch all the way from the Persian Gulf to Japan, only 50 miles apart. I think it is totally unrealistic to think that we are going to be in a position to dictate to the Arab countries on the basis of our buying power as to what sort of oil export policy to America they may want to develop. Mr. Moss. Senator, that is not the point I was trying to make. What I was saying is whatever oil we do import should reflect the high political course of getting oil from that source. Therefore, a mechanism should be sought which would show the Senator HANSEN. Thank you very much, Mr. Moss. I appreciate what you say. My feeling is we have the full cooperation of the Arab countries in seeing we are made well aware of that fact. Let me say again, gentlemen, you are very kind and very gracious to stay here so long. I know that your observations and comments will be welcome by the full committee. It is our intention to start marking up the bill tomorrow morning, and if you can have the precise language you think will be helpful, we would like to have it in order to better consider the entire ramifications of this complicated and important piece of legislation. Anything you would like to submit for the record, will be. It will remain open for a while and we will be happy to have it. If there is nothing further thank you very much. [Whereupon at 8:15 p.m., the hearing was concluded.] INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS UNITED STATES SENATE Pursuant to S. Res. 45 A National Fuels and Energy Policy Study NINETY-THIRD CONGRESS FIRST SESSION ON S. 2589 A BILL TO DECLARE BY CONGRESSIONAL ACTION A NATION- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Washington, D.C. 20402 Price $2.65 DEPARTMENT SENATE RESOLUTION 45 NATIONAL FUELS AND ENERGY POLICY STUDY This publication is a background document for the National Fuels and Energy Policy Study authorized by Senate Resolution 45, introduced by Senators Jennings Randolph and Henry M. Jackson on February 4, 1971, and considered, amended, and agreed to by the Senate on May 3, 1971. The resolution authorizes the Senate Interior and Insular Affairs Committee, and ex officio members of the Committees on Commerce and Public Works and the Joint Committee on Atomic Energy, to make a full and complete investigation and study of National Fuels and Energy Policies. This document is published to assist members of the Committee and other interested parties in their understanding of the issues inherent in the formulation of a long-term National Energy Policy which assures the continued welfare of the Nation, including balanced growth, safeguarding and enhancing the quality of the environment, and national security. COMMITTEE ON INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS ALAN BIBLE, Nevada FRANK CHURCH, Idaho LEE METCALF, Montana J. BENNETT JOHNSTON, JR., Louisiana JAMES ABOUREZK, South Dakota FLOYD K. HASKELL, Colorado GAYLORD NELSON, Wisconsin PAUL J. FANNIN, Arizona DEWEY F. BARTLETT, Oklahoma JERRY T. VERKLER, Staff Director WILLIAM J. VAN NESS, Chief Counsel Ex Officio Members Pursuant to Section 3 of Senate Resolution 45 WILLIAM J. VAN NESS, Chief Counsel GRENVILLE GARSIDE, Special Counsel and Study Coordinator ARLON R. TUSSING, Staff Economist CONTENTS EXECUTIVE MARKUP SESSION Friday, November 9, 1973- Committtee Print No. 3___ Monday, November 12, 1973-Committee Print No. 4____ APPENDIX [Additional statements and communications submitted for the record] Communications submitted by Page 361 362 453 454 Peter G. Koltnow, vice president for professional affairs, Highway 564 George Meany, president, AFL-CIO- 569 James T. Corcoran, National Association of Motor Bus Owners 572 ience Stores____ 573 Ira W. Stults, district manager, Stop and Go Markets____ 607 Robert D. Timm, Chairman, Civil Aeronautics Board- 608 John A. Buggs, staff director, Commission on Civil Rights__. 611 John Busterud, Acting Chairman, Council on Environmental Quality- 611 Charles A. Tobin, Secretary, Federal Trade Commission 613 Dwight A. Ink, Acting Administrator, General Services Administra tion 614 George M. Stafford, Chairman, Interstate Commerce Commission..... 615 Daniel J. Evans, chairman, National Governors' Conference__. Marion E. Drew, general manager, Pueblo Rock Wool Co--------- 725 725 725 H. S. Howard, president, American Can Co___ 727 erns, Inc__- 727 T. S. Miles, president and chief executive officer, National Air Trans portation Conferences, Inc. 728 Jerome I. Baskin, CPA, Jerome I. Baskin and Co___ 748 W. F. Ragan, Ragan Law Offices, Washington, D.C_____. 748 Pierre de Montmarin, president, Peugeot, Inc.. 750 Philip M. Knox, Jr., vice president, governmental affairs, Sears, Roebuck and Co____ 752 Richard C. Darling, senior Washington representative, J. C. Penney 752 Patrick J. Head, vice president, Montgomery Ward... 753 Eugene A. Keeney, American Retail Federation__ 754 Robert W. Crawford, president, Association of General Merchandise Chains, Inc 754 Ralph Lazarus, chairman of the board, Federated Department Stores, 754 Frank I. Madigan, sheriff director, Office of Emergency Services..... 755 757 Charles F. Wheatley, Jr., general manager, general counsel, American 758 Statements submitted by Page John K. Lamb, Cincinnati OEM Associates, Inc___ 563 565 574 Thomas J. Heye, Administrative Assistant to the Chairman, Civil Aeronautics Board___ 609 Julius L. Katz, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International 685 Henry M. Peskin, Land Use Center of the Urban Institute - 687 Peter W. Seibert, president, National Ski Areas Association... 688 Paul J. Kelley, U-Haul International, on behalf of the industry- 691 Helen Delich Bentley, Chairwoman, Federal Maritime Commission___ 748 |