Mrs. GREEN. The charts which you presented, the ones on the easel, could those be put in a form so we can insert them in the record?

Mr. RICHARDS. I am sure they could be photographed or otherwise made available for you, yes. We would be glad to do that.

Mrs. GREEN. I would ask unanimous consent to have them inserted in the record.

Mr. LANDRUM. Without objection, they will be inserted.
Mr. RICHARDS. We will see that that is done.

(The charts referred to follow :)

Mrs. GREEN. Mr. Richards, I had 2 or 3 questions.

We hear a lot about our aid to foreign countries. Do you know what amount of money is being spent in the United States libraries to serve people in other countries?

Mr. RICHARDS. The figures that I have on that indicate that the entire USIS budget, as now being requested, is $88 million, and the Information Service alone, which presumably would be the book service, the library service, is $4,804,000.

Mrs. GREEN. As compared, in the United States proper, to what? Mr. RICHARDS. Yes.

Mrs. GREEN. As to this amount of appropriation for foreign libraries, how does that compare with what is spent in the United States today?

Mr. RICHARDS. I am not sure that I have that immediately at hand. I will get it for you for the record. What you want is the total amount spent on libaries in this country at the present time?

Mrs. GREEN. Federal funds.

Mr. RICHARDS. Yes. We will see that that figure is available—did you say Federal? We have no Federal appropriation. I was thinking you meant on a local level.

Mrs. GREEN. I meant what was spent.

Mr. RICHARDS. No, there are no Federal funds for libraries. I am sorry, I misunderstood your question.

Mrs. GREEN. Then, of course, we have Representatives here who are all in favor of this bill. I wonder what interest industry has in seeing that this kind of library service is provided?

Mr. RICHARDS. We know that industry is interested in this, partly because industry is having to disperse its efforts. In other words, it is going to have to go to various parts of the country which would not necessarily have good library service. And we know that one of the things that industry looks for is education in the broader sense, including libraries. We have definite information about that, so that there is no question about it. In other words, a community that did not have a library service would not be a good location for industry. Mrs. GREEN. Then I would like your comment on two other things. It seems to me that almost every bill that comes before this committee has two hurdles to get over. One is the question of the public and the parochial schools. Will the library service be rendered alike? Will that be an issue in this case?

Mr. RICHARDS. The service is free to all people. By and large, we do not always work through individual schools, although we may do that.

But certainly there will be no discrimination between the use of this new service by the parochial schools or by public schools. It will be completely free to everybody.

Mrs. GREEN. That, Mr. Chairman, is an important point for the committee to consider.

The other one is the question of segregation: Are we going to have that problem? How many segregated libraries are there?

Mr. RICHARDS. I can't answer that factually, but let me say that we are working on that, as everybody else is working on it. And I would assume that it will be taken care of wherever it does come up as a problem.