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HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON

INDIAN AFFAIRS AND PUBLIC LANDS

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON

INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-FIFTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

ON

H.R. 3454

TO DESIGNATE CERTAIN ENDANGERED PUBLIC LANDS
FOR PRESERVATION AS WILDERNESS, TO PROVIDE FOR
THE STUDY OF ADDITIONAL ENDANGERED PUBLIC LANDS
FOR SUCH DESIGNATION, TO FURTHER THE PURPOSES
OF THE WILDERNESS ACT OF 1964, AND FOR OTHER
PURPOSES

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Johnstone, Charles, Sitka Conservation Society__

Kittrick, James, professor of soil science, Washington State University-
Mueller, Tim, Bennett Lumber Co., and Blue Mountain Resource
Council__

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Panel consisting of:

Martin Devere, executive assistant, North West Timber Asso-
ciation.

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Arnie Ewing, executive vice president, North West Timber As-
sociation..

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John W. Davis, Willamette Industries, Inc--

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Jim O'Donnell, executive vice president, Northwest Pine As-
sociation_

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Panel consisting of:

Larry Blasing, resource forester, Inland Forest Resource Council,
Missoula, Mont..

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Don Nettleton, director of land management for Rocky Moun-
tain district, Burlington Northern Railroad, Missoula, Mont__
Forest Dobson, Pack River Co..

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Richard Shimer, Evans Products Co., Missoula, Mont.
John McBride, forester, St. Regis Paper Co----
George Rostrun, Kalispell Weekly News.--.

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Panel consisting of:

William Cunningham, the Wilderness Society-

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Douglas Chadwick, Montana Wilderness Association, Montana__
Hank Fisher, Fish Consumer Wildlife, Missoula, Mont...

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Panel consisting of:

Erwin Kulosa, Federal Timber Purchasers Association, Al-
buquerque, N. Mex..

Gus Kuehne, American Plywood Association, Takoma, Wash
Scott, Doug, Federation of Western Outdoor Clubs__.
Tomasi, Theodore, the Wilderness Society, Colorado.

John Hall, National Forest Products Association, Washington,
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ENDANGERED AMERICAN WILDERNESS ACT

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 1977

U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON INDIAN AFFAIRS AND PUBLIC LANDS, COMMITTEE ON INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS, Washington, D.C.

The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:49 a.m., in room 1324, Longworth House Office Building, Hon. Teno Roncalio (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mr. RONCALIO. These hearings of the Interior Committee's Subcommittee on Indian Affairs and Public Lands will come to order.

We meet this morning to begin hearings on the Endangered American Wilderness Act of 1977.

We believe that wilderness is a just form of land dedication. We think it will preserve significant portions of public lands in the natural condition and still provide many human values and uses including commercial uses.

Further generations will benefit from wilderness designations in ways we cannot perceive today. One thing we think is clear: future generations have a right to be permitted an opportunity to making land-use decisions relative to areas in which they will live by themselves and for themselves unencumbered by our mistakes.

Today's system-the National Wilderness Preservation Systemenjoys broad public support. The 1964 act is recognized as a landmark of environmental policy and we hope our work can make a meaningful contribution to fulfilling the purposes of that act.

We know that there is public controversy over our decisions regarding congressional actions now. Congress has to be the final arbiter in these decisions of whether these areas are to be preserved as wilderness. We will begin these hearings knowing that we may very well have occasion to hear from those who will think otherwise of our actions.

I assured the industry that we would have a hearing or listen to citizens in the Saratoga area of Wyoming. I intended to do that this last weekend but I got caught in a literal landslide of opposition to the President's actions last week in deferring irrigation reclamation projects out West, three of which hit Colorado and one of which has a direct effect upon central Wyoming.

In Saratoga this week, Savage Run was not the dominant issue; the preservation of a water program is. Nevertheless, we will move ahead as best we can with some hearing or meeting in Saratoga regarding its effect on Wyoming. I know of no one who would insist that all of our orders ought to be sacrifices. This Nation is rich enough and its potential great. We can continue to have more wilderness and a sound forest economy at the same time.

COMMITTEE ON INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

MORRIS K. UDALL, Arizona, Chairman

PHILLIP BURTON, California
ROBERT W. KASTENMEIER, Wisconsin
LLOYD MEEDS, Washington
ABRAHAM KAZEN, JR., Texas
TENO RONCALIO, Wyoming
JONATHAN B. BINGHAM, New York
JOHN F. SEIBERLING, Ohio
HAROLD RUNNELS, New Mexico
ANTONIO BORJA WON PAT, Guam
RON DE LUGO, Virgin Islands
BOB ECKHARDT, Texas
GOODLOE E. BYRON, Maryland

JIM SANTINI, Nevada

PAUL E. TSONGAS, Massachusetts

JAMES WEAVER, Oregon

BOB CARR, Michigan

GEORGE MILLER, California

THEODORE M. (TED) RISENHOOVER, Oklahoma

JAMES J. FLORIO, New Jersey

DAWSON MATHIS, Georgia

PHILIP R. SHARP, Indiana

MATTHEW F. MCHUGH, New York

JOHN KREBS, California

EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts
PETER H. KOSTMAYER, Pennsylvania
BALTASAR CORRADA, Puerto Rico
AUSTIN J. MURPHY, Pennsylvania
NICK JOE RAHALL II, West Virginia
BRUCE F. VENTO, Minnesota
JERRY HUCKABY, Louisiana
LAMAR GUDGER, North Carolina

JOE SKUBITZ, Kansas,

Ranking Minority Member
DON H. CLAUSEN, California
PHILIP E. RUPPE, Michigan
MANUEL LUJAN, JR., New Mexico
KEITH G. SEBELIUS, Kansas

DON YOUNG, Alaska

ROBERT E. BAUMAN, Maryland
STEVEN D. SYMMS, Idaho

JAMES P. (JIM) JOHNSON, Colorado
ROBERT J. LAGOMARSINO, California
DAN MARRIOTT, Utah

RON MARLENEE, Montana
ELDON RUDD, Arizona

MICKEY EDWARDS, Oklahoma

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ANDREW WIESSNER, Counsel

SHARON COCKAYNE, Staff Assistant

MICHAEL D. JACKSON, Minority Consultant

NOTE. The first listed minority member is counterpart to the subcommittee chairman.

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