Senator MCNAMARA. I think that is very logical. Mr. SPECTOR. I was just going to ask Dr. Donahue: This field of housing is this an area in which in a sense we secure guidance by asking older people what they think is best for themselves? Or is this a field in which older people themselves need guidance from someone else as to their best needs? Dr. DONAHUE. I would say that it is very difficult to expect old people to tell you exactly what they want, because they do not know what the range of possibilities is. This lack of information is always a limiting factor in any atempt to do research in this field by going directly to the consumer. It would require a very careful study, in which arrangements were made to educate the older individuals as to what it would be like to live under condtions they have never yet experienced. On the other hand. I would also think that it would be very unfortunate not to consider the past experiences of older people, because each of us establish certain preferences and tastes, and Senator McNamara has just confessed that he is not going to enjoy the country as I am going to do when I retire. And this is a difference in tastes. I think, therefore, in carrying on research studies of housing preferences we must investigate by using both methods, recognizing that we have limitations in getting at the actual facts. This does not negate the importance of making studies, however. Senator MCNAMARA. I think that is absolutely right. Using you and me as guinea pigs in this case, I love those hard pavements in the downtown area much more than I do the wide open spaces. That is just a difference in people. Mr. BOHN. I think I will build a place in between where both of you can get together. Senator MCNAMARA. That might be nice. Right on the edge of town. Thanks very much. I am sure you have all been very helpful. And of course all of the prepared statements that have been submitted will be made part of the record. Thank you. (Whereupon, at 4:30 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.) THE UNITED STATES 43350 HEARINGS BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON PROBLEMS OF THE AGED AND AGING OF THE COMMITTEE ON LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE UNITED STATES SENATE EIGHTY-SIXTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION PART 2.-BOSTON, MASS. OCTOBER 13 AND 14, 1959 Printed for the use of the Committee on Labor and Public Welfare UNITED STATES WASHINGTON: 1959 COMMITTEE ON LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE LISTER HILL, Alabama, Chairman JAMES E. MURRAY, Montana RALPH W. YARBOROUGH, Texas JOSEPH S. CLARK, Pennsylvania JENNINGS RANDOLPH, West Virginia HARRISON A. WILLIAMS, JR., New Jersey BARRY GOLDWATER, Arizona STEWART E. MCCLURE, Chief Clerk SUBCOMMITTEE ON PROBLEMS OF THE AGED AND AGING JOHN F. KENNEDY, Massachusetts II EVERETT MCKINLEY DIRKSEN, Illinois SIDNEY SPECTOR, Staff Director CONTENTS STATEMENTS Page Bachrach, Dr. Samuel, chairman, Committee on Aging, Worcester, Mass. 510 499 Barkley, David, School of Public Health, Harvard University. Burton, Miss Flora E., Chairman, Committee on Aging, United Community 527 Butler, Dr. Allan M., prepared statement_ 479 Carroll John, appearing on behalf of Hon. Murial C. Javelin, deputy super- 374 letters from Massachusetts General Hospital, dated November 7, 1958, and December 18, 1958.. 454 Conlin, Dr. John F., superintendent, Boston City Hospital. 466 Prepared statement.. 463 Connelly, Edward F., executive director, general counsel, Massachusetts 390 Prepared statement__ 388 Coyne, John E., president, National Conference on Public Employee Retirement Systems, prepared statement. 557 Cronin, Daniel I., deputy director, Welfare Department, Boston, prepared statement.. 533 Curtis, Hon. Laurence, a Representative in Congress from the State of 360 Prepared statement.. 358 Dalton, Right Rev. Msgr. A. C., director of Catholic Hospitals, Archdiocese of Boston.. 530 Deady, John, secretary-treasurer, Building Trades Council, Boston, Mass 420 statement.. 436 Ewalt, Dr. Jack, director, Massachusetts Mental Health Center 421 474 French, Harold B., prepared statement.. 560 Friend, Dale G., M.D., chairman, Committee on Aging, Massachusetts 474 345 Prepared statement... Green, Edward A., vice president, John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance 343 517 Prepared statement. 513 Hammerstein, Vincent N., D.O., chairman, Committee on Geriatrics, 561 Hayden, Charles G., M. D., executive director, Massachusetts Medical 476 Harris, Dr. Seymour, Department of Economics, Harvard University 412 Prepared statement.. 406 Javelin, Mrs. Muriel C., deputy supervisor in charge of work with adults, 372 Kaplan, Hon. Sumner, House chairman, Joint Committee on Public Welfare, Massachusetts State Legislature. 387 Prepared statement.. 386 Karpeles, Harry D., assistant director, Jewish Centers Association of 549 III |