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Mr. MCINTOSH. Our second witness on this panel is Mr. Grindley from Georgia. Thank you for coming. Share with us a summary of your testimony.

Mr. GRINDLEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and members of the subcommittee. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for inviting me here to testify about this very important issue that affects every American citizen.

I am a member of the Georgia General Assembly. I have been there two terms. And over the last couple years, I have been very interested in issues of privacy and I have passed some legislation regarding it. I recently pushed through the Georgia House legislation that would remove Social Security numbers from driver's licenses. I went first to the head of the State Patrol, and got his authorization. He said, it would be no problem. It passed overwhelmingly. After we left the session, he wrote a letter to the Governor, urging him to veto it under some guise.

It turned out that the reason for this urged veto was he found out that if he didn't place Social Security numbers on the driver's licenses by the year 2000, there would be Federal money taken from the State of Georgia. Luckily, through the media we raised public concern about my proposed legislation and the Governor did sign the bill.

In a nutshell, Mr. Chairman, I introduced this legislation because millions of Americans realize that the use of the information superhighway has continued to expand and there is a new type of fraud that is available. With just a few pieces of information, like what has already been expounded on here, people are able to transfer money from your bank account. With only the last four digits of your Social Security number, crooks can authorize credit cards and so on.

The key to unlocking all these doors is through the Social Security number. Through my research I found out that in the State of Georgia, if you have someone's Social Security number, name and address, it is worth $50 on the street. You can see the multiplier here. On one hand, $50 isn't a lot, but it can quickly ruin someone's life.

There is something else that you need to be aware of that I just found out about yesterday. There is an Internet address of www.iqdata.com where I went yesterday and signed up. I was going to try to get your Social Security number for this meeting but it takes a couple of days. For only $12.50 I can get the most personal information that you can imagine, including your Social Security number. There is another data-base that for $30 I can get your mother's maiden name. What possible use would you have for this information other than to verify and to use this for fraudulent activities?

There are some 10th amendment questions here. Probably the biggest concern I get from my constituents is about encroachment on the States by the Federal Government. You all know, no offense, it seems like you are making a huge power grab. Over and over my constituents are saying, "Can we do something?" And, you know, the folks I talked to said, well, you can't start a lawsuit until you can demonstrate that somebody has been personally damaged, be

cause it is kind of a roundrobin type thing. But I think we will get to that.

I had someone hand me a training manual from Nigeria that explained how to come to the United States, how to assume someone's birth certificate that has died within 10 years of your age how to assume their identity, and get Social Security numbers.

From that, I did a little research in my own State and I found out that the State did not mark "deceased" on birth certificates. I asked why and they said, no one had ever asked them to. I passed legislation subsequently that requires the State of Georgia now to stamp "deceased" on birth certificates, and they have said it will save millions of dollars from fraud cost simply from that one word. I am not one that is going to propose national data-bases, but if you were going to have one, maybe a national data-base of deceased would be the appropriate way to go.

Mr. MCINTOSH. Maybe the private sector will create that as well. Mr. GRINDLEY. Maybe. But I think that is an important safeguard.

Mr. MCINTOSH. Have you ever had anybody in your State held liable for identity theft after the person had died?

Mr. GRINDLEY. Not to my knowledge.

Mr. MCINTOSH. Thank you, Mr. Grindley. I appreciate it. Thank you for your good efforts at the State level. By the way, do you still have that training manual?

Mr. GRINDLEY. I do in my files at home.

Mr. MCINTOSH. If it is not difficult, please send us a copy of that, I would like to put it in the record.

Mr. GRINDLEY. I can do that.

[The information referred to follows:]

8:RTH CERTIFICATES

ALL 1.D. STARTS WITH A BIRTH CERTIFICATE:

WITH THIS DOCUMENT ISSUSE

BY THE STATE ITSELF, YOU CAN OBTAIN ALL THE OTHER FORMS OF OFFICIAL
1.D. SUCH AS SOCIAL SECURITY CARDS, DRIVERS LICENSES, NEW DRIVER
POLICE I.D. AND PASSPORTS. THE ENDING SECRET TO CREATING AN ALTERNATE
I.D. AND IDENTITY IS TO OSTAIN A BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN ANOTHER NAME.
I WILL GIVE YOU THREE DIFFERENT METHODS FOR OBTAINING A USABLE BORTH
CERTIFICATE DIRECTLY FROM THE STATE ITSELF; THEREBY, IT'S REGISTERED
WITH THE COUNTY AND STATE ON THEIR COMPUTERS AND CAN BE CKICKED 8?
ANY POLICE OFFICIAL OR GOVERNMENT AGENCY WITHOUT ANY DANGER " THE
CHE WHO IS CETAINING .

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NEVER CEE ANY I.D. THAT IS NOT ISSUED BY THE VARICUS AGENCIES, THEMSILVES. ANY I.D. THAT IS DOCTORED OR PRODUCED IS ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS AND NCT WORTH THE PAPER TT IS PRINTED CN. THE TRICK IS TO HAVE THE STATE OR GOVERNMENT ISSUE YOU DIRECTLY THE VARIOUS FORMS CF 1.D. YOU NEED. ALL YOU NEED IS THE REGULAR BIRTH CERTIFICATE - SCHECHE ELSES – THAT IS: FOLLOW THE BELOW LISTED INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY AS THEY ARE WRITTEN AND YOU WILD EXTE NŐ PROBLEMS. REMEMBER, THESE HAVE BEEN TACED AND THEY WORK.

BUT WHO IS SCHECHE ELSE?

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CEVIOUSLY I CAMICT BE SCHECNE WHO IS NOW LIVING, SINCE YOU WOULD BE DUPLICATING AN EXISTING SET OF 1.0. WHICH WOULD LEAD TO' AN EARLY AND EASY DETECTON BY SOMEONE WHO JUST MIGHT CHECK YOUR I.D.. THE SCHECNE ELSE MUST BE THEN :

(A) A PERSON OF YOUR SEX

(3) A PERSON OF YOUR RACE

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A PERSON OF YOUR APPROXIMATE AGE AT ́PRESENT TIME IF HE OR SHE
WAS LOVING (WHICH I MUST ADD IS NO LONGER LIVING AND THUS FAS NC !
THER NEED OF I.D. UNDER HIS NAME. THE PROBLEM THEN LIES IN FINCT
SUCH A PERSON AND ULTIMATELY CETAINING HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

I WILL NOW EXPLAIN THE THREE SUCCESSFUL METHODS, ALL OF WHICH ENABLE
YOU TO RECEIVE AN UNQUESTIONABLE VALID "BIRTH CERTIFICATE" FROM ANY
COUNTY RESCACER.
ALL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND DEATH CERTIFICATE RECORDS
ARE KEPT BY THE COUNTY RECORDER AND THEY WILL BE IN THE COUNTY WHERE
YOU CHOOSE TO USE THE DECEASED PERSON'S NAME. ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS
IT WILL BE FOUND FILED IN THE COUNTY ARCHIVES AND A COPY MARKED "REGIS-
TERED",. "VERIFIED", AND/OR "CERTIFIED" WILL BE SENT DIRECTLY TO YOU
IN THE MAIL IF YOU WANT IT THIS WAY.

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THIS FIRST METHCO LETS YOU TASE CVER "LIVING" FOR A PERSON WHO HAS
JUST RECENTLY DIIS. TAKE ANY NEWSPAPER AND SCAN THE CBITUARY COLIS,
LOCK FRA PERSON WHO HAS DIED WITHIN A FEW YEARS OF YOUR PRESENT ¿GE,
AND CUT OF STATE PAPER IS RECOMMENDED DEPENDING UPON WHERE YOU LIVE AT
PRESENT IF THE STATE IS SMALL, THEN AN CUT OF STATE PAPER IS THE BEST
METHOD. MANY SUCH PAPERS CAN BE FOUND AT THE LOCAL LIBRARY. CNCE YOU
HAVE LOCATED A GCGD PROSPECT, YOU SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE ASCUT THE
SICUATION. PLACE ANY POSSIBLE FAMILY CONNECTIONS BEFORE GOING AFTER
ECS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

THE NEXT STEP IS TO WRITE THE FUNERAL HOME, CEMETARY, CR EVEN THE FAMI
EXPRESSING REGRET THAT YOUR CLD FRIEND, SERVICE BUDDY CR BCYCOD PAL HAS
PASSED AWAY, AND THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE SURE IT WAS HIM. CT THE?
WOULD BE SO KIND AS TO SEND YOU HIS BIRTHDATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH, IT
WOULD BRING YOU A GREATER PEACE CF MIND. ANY FACTS GLEANED FROM THE
OBITUARY NOTICE WOULD BE EXCELLENT POINTS OF REFERENCE. USING YOUR
IMAGINATION IN YOUR LETTER OF INQUIRY WILL GAIN YOU EVEN MORE INFORMATION
REGARDING THE PERSON'S BACKGROUND, LIFE SITUATION, ETC. WHEN YOU GET
THE FACTS YOU NEED, SIMPLY WRITE TO THE CLERK OF THE COUNTY WHERE THE
PERSON WAS BORN, USING AN APPROPRIATE TITLE WHEN YOU WRITE, SUCH AS
"OFFICE" OR "CEPARTMENT OF VITAL RECORDS", "BIRTH REGISTRATIONS", ÉTC.,
AND REQUEST A "CERTIFIED COPY OF 'YOUR' BIRTH CERTIFICATE". BE SURE
TO EXCLOSE $5.00 (THE MOST COMMON FEE), AND YOU SHOULD RECEIVE IN
A FEW CATS IN THE MAIL. INCIDENTALLY, THE COUNTY CLERK OR RECCPCER

HAVE HIS CFFICE AND FILES AT THE COUNTY SEXT. A GUZEX CHECK OF THE
ATLAS OR GCCD ENCYCLOPEDIA WILL TELL YOU WHICH CITY OR TOWN THIS IS.
NOW, IF ASSUMING YOUR NEW NAME SEEMS TOO DIRECT OR "F FRCN", THEN
USE A LITTERHEAD, SUCH AS THAT OF AN ATTORNEY OR AN INVESTIGATING
AGENCY, TELLING THEM. YOU WANT A CERTIFIED COPY CF THE B12TH CERT:-
FICATE FOR YOUR COMPANY'S GROUP LIFE INSURANCE POLICY OR YOU ARE RE-
CUESTING A COPY CERTIFIID CF SO-AND-SO'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR A
SECURITY CLEARANCE. ALWAYS INCLUDE THE FEE, YOU WILL GET IT FAST,
NO CHIETIENS ASKED. PUBLIC SCCUMENTS ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE. CF
COURSE, YOU CAN REQUEST AND RECEIVE THE DCCTMENT IN PERSON, PARTIC-
OLARLY IF THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS RECORDED IN A LARGI COUNTY.
WILL RECEITE :: MECH FASTER TITS HAY. ALTECUGH I WOULD RICOWEN
AVCE PERSCHAL APPEARANCE, IF YOU ARE GOING AFTER SCHECHE ŃHC
WAS FROM A RURAL AREA, THERE IS ALWAYS A GOOD CHANCE THE CLERK MIGHT
HAVE KICAN THE PERSON OR EAVE HEARD OF HIS RECENT DEATH. REASON AND
GCCD COMMON SENSE CN YOUR PART MUST ALWAYS PREVAIL.

IN THE CEITUARY METHOD YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT IF YOU USE THE BIRTH
CERTIFICATE OF SCMEGNE WHO HAD ALREADY ENTERED "ACUL" LIFE", HE MORE
THAN LIKELY HAD CONTACTED DEPARTMENTS, HAD A SCCIAL SECURITY NUMBER,
AND AT SCME TIME, REGISTERED FOR THE DRAFT. HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MARRIED
HAD A POLICE RECOFS, OR EVEN POSSIBLY, HAD A FEN OUTSTANDING WARRANTS.
THE FIRST TYPE CF BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS STRICTLY "LIGHTWEIGH"" IN THAT
YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH ASSURANCE OF REMAINING HIDDEN VERY .LONG. IT IS
GCCD THOUGH, ESPECIALLY FOR A "CHECK RUN" OR "CREDIT GAME" OR A WILD
WEEKEND OR FOR DISAPPEARING IN A HURRY. BY THAT TIME YOU ARE READY
FOR THE "MÅSTER TYPE OF BIRTH CERTIFICATE", AND MIGHT HAVE ALREADY
RECEIVED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE ON THIS FIRST TYPE OF BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
I CCN'T RECOMMEND USING THIS OTHER THAN FOR RUNNING CHECKS OR TEMPORARY
I.C., BUT KEEP IT FOR REFERENCE, OR THAT EMERGENCY YOU MIGHT HAVE.

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THE BIATH CERTIFÍCATE YOU OBTAIN USING THIS METHOD ENABLES YOU TO
ACTUALLY BECOME A PERSON WHO DIED LCNG BEFORE HE GOT ENTANGLED IN
THE PAPER MCRASS YOU ARE TRYING TO ESCAPE FROM. AGAIN, HIS BIRTHDATE

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