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ROPOSAL TO INCREASE THE SCOPE AND PURPOSE

OF THE NATIONAL VISITOR CENTER

HEARING

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON
BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC WORKS

UNITED STATES SENATE

NINETY-THIRD CONGRESS

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COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC WORKS

JENNINGS RANDOLPH, West Virginia, Chairman

EDMUND S. MUSKIE, Maine

JOSEPH M. MONTOYA, New Mexico

MIKE GRAVEL, Alaska

LLOYD BENTSEN, Texas

QUENTIN N. BURDICK, North Dakota
DICK CLARK, Iowa

JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR., Delaware

HOWARD H. BAKER, JR., Tennessee
JAMES L. BUCKLEY, New York
ROBERT T. STAFFORD, Vermont
WILLIAM L. SCOTT, Virginia
JAMES A. MCCLURE, Idaho
PETE V. DOMENICI, New Mexico

M. BARRY MEYER, Chief Counsel and Chief Clerk

BAILEY GUARD, Minority Clerk; RICHARD A. HELLMAN, Minority Counsel

LEON G. BILLINGS, Senior Staff Member

PHILIP T. CUMMINGS, JAMES R. READLE, and RICHARD E. HEROD (Minority) Assistant Counsels

Professional and research staff: KARL BRAITHWAITE, HAROLD H. BRAYMAN, PAUL CHIMES, FRANCES T. CLARK, KATHERINE Y. CUDLIPP, KATHLEEN R. E. FORCUM, ANN GARRABRANT, RICHARD D. GRUNDY, WESLEY F. HAYDEN, RONALD L. KATZ, CLARK NORTON, JUDY PARENTE, JOHN PURINTON, A. DAVID SANDOVAL, JACQUELINE E. SCHAFER, CHARLENE STURBITTS, E. STEVENS SWAIN, SALLY WALKER, and JOHN W. YAGO, Jr.

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CONTENTS

ALPHABETICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

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Kahl, Robert, transportation specialist, Federal Railroad Administration_

Perlman, Ellis S., Director, Government Relations, Washington Metro-
politan Area Transit Authority_

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Premo, Jerome C., Acting Associate Administrator, Urban Mass Trans-
portation Administration___

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Wheeler, Douglas, Deputy Assistant Secretary, Department of the Interior_

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ADDITIONAL MATERIAL

Interior, Department of, material supplied by:

Agreement between the United States of America and Terminal
Realty Baltimore Co. and Terminal Penn Co---‒‒.
Lease for real property-.

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A PROPOSAL TO INCREASE THE SCOPE AND PURPOSE

OF THE NATIONAL VISITOR CENTER

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Washington, D.C.

The subcommittee met at 9:30 a.m., pursuant to call, in room 4200, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Dick Clark (chairman of the subcommittee), presiding.

Present: Senators Clark, Gravel, Scott, McClure, and Domenici. Senator CLARK. The subcommittee will come to order.

The purpose of today's hearing is to examine a proposal by the Department of the Interior to increase the scope and purpose of the National Visitor Center.

The proposal calls for the inclusion of an intercity bus terminal as an integral part of the Center, coupled with the already existing rail passenger facility. The bus terminal will supposedly serve to create a truly intermodal visitors complex.

The main issues before us this morning are these: What are the additional costs involved in expanding the scope of the Center? What effect will expansion have on the proposed completion date of the Center, late 1975?

Does the past record of cost increase and construction delay suggest that the further expansion of the project may be neither feasible nor justifiable?

Mr. Doug Wheeler, of the Interior Department, will be our first witness this morning.

Mr. Wheeler, perhaps you would want to identify any associates you have with you for the record, and then feel free to proceed in any way you think appropriate.

STATEMENT OF DOUGLAS P. WHEELER, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY, FISH AND WILDLIFE AND PARKS, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, ACCOMPANIED BY JACK FISH, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL CAPITAL PARKS; JIM GROSS, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL VISITOR CENTER; LARS HANSLIN, OFFICE OF THE SOLICITOR, AND BARRY HOWARD, PROGRAM CONSULTANT

Mr. WHEELER. I would like to have sitting with me Mr. Jack Fish, Director of the National Capital Parks; Mr. Jim Gross, Director of

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