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STATEMENT OF ADOLPH BERLE, PROFESSOR OF LAW-Continued

If section 7 is amended, it would naturally restrict certain potential buyers namely those so powerful that a new purchase would be a merger "substantially lessening competition" within meaning of act. Berle says there are many small family corporations.

Discussion of section 7 and effect on sale of small business to large concern.

It is silly, however, to bar sale of stock and permit sale of assets at the same time. But law should state what we are aiming at.

Mr. Celler reads cases to show that acquisition of small company not condemned under new section 7 or old, as act deals only with lessening competition to a substantial degree.

Mr. Wilson again emphasizes hardship in that section 7 under proposed amendment would restrict sale of middle-sized business to any very large corporation.

Mr. Celler admits the problem; but all equities should be weighed, and Congress should determine tax incidence problem. Mr. Denton points out that the little men were in favor of amending section 7 and perhaps concern over hardship is excessive.

Mr. Celler says that the little men know all about this bill. Berle says there is twofold problem: 1. Of large company which is selling to large concern with which FTC is concerned, 2. the small independent wishing to sell that can only sell to big company.

Berle says that only where small business sells to large one which approaches maximum point of concentration would section 7 be involved.

Even if we adopt a policy against concentration, may be frustrated by executive branches of the Government.

There was a cartel agreement between American concerns and N. V. Philips, a Dutch concern, with regard to electronics. Philips established American concern, North American Phillips.

Judge Forman found old cartel agreement illegal and is framing an injunction directing competition. But armed services refuse to allow Philips to compete.

Navy Department set out list of proscribed corporations with whom no orders placed.

The North American Philips Co. received a citation for war production by Navy.

Armed services requested other firms not to deal with some of these
corporations.

Berle helped get Philips people here. Stock is owned by Hartford
Trust Co. of Connecticut.

District court says they ought to compete. At the same time, executive
branch of United States aims to prevent them from manufacturing
and competing.

Mr. Celler suggests that the law forbids procurement divisions of the
armed services from dealing with concerns which have violated the
anti-trust laws.

Berle says hard to supply armed forces if eliminate concerns that
have in the past violated the anti-trust laws to some extent.
Mr. Celler points out that even some provisions of Sherman Act are
flouted such as the "Panama Canal" clause. Mentions that
Matthews, Secretary of Navy, promised to spread naval procurement
orders.

Berle reads from forthcoming study by Stocking and Watkins pointing
out that power is more important than specific intent and the Supreme
Court has recognized this. However, it has failed to carry doctrine
to conclusion and where there is failure of absolute monopoly, rule
of reason still applied. Size originally was not unlawful.
In Aluminum case, size was unlawful per se. Two current cases will
throw light on the problem-the AT&T and du Pont cases.
However, even the decisions in such cases will not solve problem,
du Pont will still be one of the largest corps. in world.
You may
clip mere bigness but wouldn't meet problem of concentration
within an industry.

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STATEMENT OF Adolph BerLE, PROFESSOR OF LAW-Continued

Directors of du Pont and AT&T had no idea they were violating the
laws. Cross ownership of big industries is control of the market,
and bigness where it gives power to control the market is a basic
problem.

There are two theories-one is that bigness legally acquired is not
harmful. The other is that bigness out of bounds leads to socialism.
United States does not want socialism. Nor does anyone know the
optimum size of business. If nothing is done, judges will make the
law which will be confusing, because precedent in one industry
could not as a matter of economics be relevant to another.
Must be determined case by case. Committee may want to set a top
limit to bigness. Compare common law policy against perpetual
accumulation for trusts.

Top limit would differ in each industry; point where it threatened to
engulf state or force state to engulf it; also combination of elements
such as size, nature of goods, degree of control, and perhaps fraction
of national wealth.

Except in public utilities which are natural monopolies, there is a top
limit of concentration which becomes dangerous. Maybe top limit
could be set.

Compare geographical limit on public utility holding companies under
Public Utility Holding Company Act.

Quasi-public regulation should occur in industries where high degree of
concentration is unavoidable. Compare voluntary allotment act
in steel during war.

United States itself should channel its own buying power in the course of the policy adopted by the legislature.

Alternatives-1. Can leave present law as is and let courts determine results.

2. Empower FTC to inquire whether size or degree of concentration in any industry restrains trade, results in unduly high prices, etc., with power to find a top limit on percentage of control and allowing Government to require dissolution in case concern transcended that

size.

3. After finding of FTC, Congress might permit commission to impose public utility responsibility upon the industry. He prefers to allow choice of company to break up or to assume responsibility.

4. If capital market is unable to provide credit and equity capital for
smaller businesses, some Government banking mechanism should
be available. RFC does considerable amount now in the credit
field. Equity fields not yet adquately provided for.

5. Study should be made of measures giving tax advantage of relief
to risk capital in smaller enterprises.
This is a tentative and preliminary approach to huge subject. When
business reaches excessive concentration, we have only two alter-
natives-regulation or socialization. So must keep business in
bounds where size is not essential, and where, because of technical
state of industry or needs of the American public, concentration is
necessary, then we must recognize that such businesses fall within
the ancient concepts of public utilities.

Mr. Berle's prepared statement substantially as given above appears
in the record and will not be outlined.

STATEMENT OF ELLIS ARNALl, Former Governor of Georgia Surest way to preserve free competition is to smash monopoly. Trend has been toward monopoly

As soon as railways were forced into corner, Congress passed Reed-
Bulwinkle Act, granting immunity. Railroads have conspired against
South and West and other regions.

Railroads have power to discriminate. Fallacy of Reed Act is that the

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ICC does not pass on each rate.
filed and ICC only passes on 1 percent.

Thirty to forty thousand rates

They are approved without action of even subordinate employees. Unless shipper objects, rate is never reviewed. Railroads now have carte blanche to violate spirit and purpose of antitrust laws.

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STATEMENT OF ELLIS ARNALL, FORMER GOVERNOR OF GEORGIA-Con.

This act was passed just at the time they had the railroads cornered in the Supreme Court. In last session of Congress, bills were introduced to exempt insurance companies from the antitrust laws. Also bills to exempt oil companies, AP wire services, from trust laws. If trend is not reversed no one will be left to violate trust laws.

Mr. Celler tells anecdote regarding putting water in the wine barrel. ICC, etc. were designed to protect the public against certain type of enterprise.

Now many of the regulatory bodies stand as a bulwark against the public to protect the people they regulate.

Does not suggest abolishing ICC; has no answer to problem. However,
one finds the ICC working alongside the Association of American
Railroads in asking for exemption.

Mr. Keating suggests that regulatory body, familiar with problems
of industry, is more fitted to pass upon what is best and fair.
Arnall again states that trend is definitely to abolish trust laws. Arnall
is opposed to Miller-Tydings Act-in fact all exemptions from
Sherman law.

Jefferson

If trend continues, will have a drive for nationalization.
He favors the basing point decision of the Supreme Court.
included freedom from monopoly in his proposed Bill of Rights.
Before Pearl Harbor, one company controlled production of all virgin
aluminum; two companies made 95 percent of all plate glass; three
companies made 86 percent of autos; three companies controlled
90 percent of tin can production.

South has felt effect of transportation monopoly, interest rates, and
at one time, power rates. 400,000 new businesses start each year
and death toll is 300,000.
He telegraphed Truman to insist upon vigorous campaign against
business monopoly. He hopes this committee comes up with legisla-
tion.
As Governor he saw at first hand economic strangulation of South.
Also as president of Independent Motion Picture Producers he has
seen effect of monopoly. His association does not own theaters.
The Motion Picture Association of America produces, distributes,
and owns theaters.

Suit against latter association was instituted 11 years ago. Divestiture
was ordered by court; two companies have complied.
Case against Paramount and RKO resulted in consent decrees.

There

is still pending the case against Loew's, Warner Bros., Fox, United
Artists, Columbia and Universal.

To expedite antitrust trials, suggests procedural changes, and that all
Federal courts give preference to such cases. Great threat to
America today is not communism; but if our economy becomes
chaotic, then people may want to embrace some other philosophy.
Must have strong penalties to prevent monopoly.

State of Georgia case versus railways cost over $1,000,000 and has been
going 2 years now. Documents, evidence, etc. numerous because
difficult to prove monopoly.

Preference should be given to antitrust suits-though not ahead of criminal cases.

Huge section of motion-picture industry has violated laws. Victims have been small independent operators.

More than a year since decision, yet only two companies have indicated an intention of complying. Even if producers are finally divorced from theater holdings, will not reach the root of the evil, if they dispose of holdings to confederates.

In order to prove contempt of court, would again have to prove mo-
nopoly. Mr. Celler feels a tightly drawn consent decree could be
written.

Arnall says Department of Justice operates on a limited budget.
Perhaps criminal penalties would be more effective.

Mr. Keating expressed sympathy with this point of view-if one makes
it a crime and carefully selects the cases to be prosecuted, no reason
why violator of this criminal statute should get off with $5,000 fine.

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Statement of Ellis Arnall, Former Governor of Georgia—Con. Arnall says penalties today are ridiculous. When A & P convicted, not fined more than $25,000 or $30,000. He thinks violators should be dealt with ruthlessly.

Perhaps some provision barring officers from corporations and depriving them of their salary as penalty. Celler points out this could be done in consent decree.

Under present law, corporation is penalized, actual people doing acts go free. Stockholders are not responsible. Keating agrees as to stricter penalties, but great care in determining whether to proceed criminally.

Fine of $5,000 is absurd as a deterrent.

Arnall would fix sum of $50,000. For at least the second violation, would exclude from interstate commerce.

Speaks about exhibition monopolies where exhibitors must sell at fixed price or be denied films. Schine circuit, for example, owns 148 motion-picture houses in 76 towns and cities. Sixty are closed towns belonging to Schine; 16 towns there is competition, but Schine controls market.

Griffith circuit in Southwest operates 85 towns, out of which 53 are completely closed. Something must be done here.

Webb-Pomerene Act permits unlawful practices against competitors here at home. He also mentions proposed cartel between American Motion Picture Export Association and British.

Cartel agreement proposed between export association and British put into record.

The agreement has been abandoned, perhaps because of disagreement or complaint lodged with Justice Department.

Part of the agreement would have empowered export associations to determine which British pictures were to come into this country. Webb-Pomerene Act is immoral.

Summary:

1. All existing exemptions from Sherman law be repealed.
2. Procedural changes expediting trust suits.

3. In civil suit, all damages proved shall be presumed to flow from
defendant's violation of antitrust laws.

4. All corporations convicted of violating the Antitrust Act be deprived of right to ship goods in interstate commerce after second offense.

5. Officers be deprived of office if corporation convicted, and punished severely so the law will be a deterrent.

6. More adequate provision for Antitrust Division in Justice Department.

He does not believe bigness itself should be prohibited. If bigness may be judged by ability rather than illegal activities, then bigness is all right. Also would suggest more Government financing for small business.

There is little difference between extreme left and extreme right. Both would destroy individual dignity and liberty.

HEARINGS, FRIDAY, JULY 22, 1949

STATEMENT OF WALTON HAMILTON, ATTORNEY

Proposes to discuss enforcement measures.

History of Sherman Antitrust Act. Bills referred to Finance Committee, of which Sherman was chairman. A bill reported out of the committee. Senator Ragen, of Texas, objected because it was too mild. Ingalls, of Kansas, also introduced a bill.

Ragen and Ingalls both added their bills to Sherman bill as amendments. Everyone then amended the bill, which was referred to the Judiciary Committee.

The original bill was killed entirely. Final bill spoke not in terms of antitrust or in terms of protection to the consumer, as Sherman had planned but was in language of the common law and put some new penalties onto the old remedies.

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STATEMENT OF WALTON HAMILTON, ATTORNEY-Continued

In old days, all courts did was to refuse to enforce contracts that were
in restraint of trade. Statute of Monopolies in 1623 permitted a
private person to go to court and be awarded triple damages; that is
the oldest penalty attached to the Sherman Act. Equity was used.
A forgotten provision of the act provides for the seizure of goods shipped
as a result of combination, monopoly, or conspiracy. Only three or
four cases where goods have been seized.
Climate of opinion at that time-No administrative agency, infinite
faith in competition, letting business regulate itself. Triple damage
suit was intended as the main instrument for enforcing the act.
Wanted at that time to make act as nearly self-enforcing as possible.
Equity suit and criminal prosecution regarded as secondary remedies.
Sherman Act was "An act referred to as the Sherman Act, for no
other reason than that Senator Sherman had nothing to do with it
whatsoever."
Act provides fine of $5,000 as a maximum. How effective is this in
huge business such as oil combination? A grant of monopoly in the
old days would bring more money than that if the right were offered
for sale.

Disposition of judges to disregard criminal penalties and difficult to
find juries to convict. In U. S. v. General Motors, jury found that
the company was guilty but none of the officials were.

In U. S. v, American Medical Society, jury returned verdict against the
AMA, but not against the individuals.

Increasing tendency, therefor to plead nolo contendere and take fines
and promise to sin no more. Equity decree, however, is hotly
contested.

Equity remedy is not punitive and measures are modest. The real
remedy, therefore, is the suit for triple damages. He and Thurman
Arnold are engaged in this type of litigation. Business is good.
He gives examples of some of the cases. One case of single inventor
suing for patent infringement coupled with action for triple damages
for violation of Sherman Act. Defendant demanded files and asked
for each of some 7,000 letters. Lasted 18 days, before plaintiff got
disgusted and quit.

Second case is where small business sues large corporation. Corpora-
tion sends out interrogatories divided into 17,000 questions which
would absorb whole staff for a year or more. These are pure tactics
of delay.

There was a suit brought by United States Government. Hamilton asked: "What about the case on the merits?" Reply: "Oh, I am hoping we will never reach that question."

Other instance where attorney told him he was sure practices were illegal but matter could be kept in court for 5 years, and by that time, new set of practices could be discovered.

No reason why either private or public lawsuit should hang around courts for 6 or 7 years. Story about adjournments in Aluminum Co. because of successive births of children.

Refers to O'Mahoney bill which made violation of Antitrust Act a
public tort for which Government could collect damages and could
also remove officers from corporation if found guilty. At any rate
we do need invention with respect to remedies. Economy must be
kept dynamic, and best way is to pit business against each other in
competition. There is now too much brotherly love between
corporations.

This leads to "establishment" which is not good either in industry,
political party, or law school, or church. Objective of public is to
see that goods are produced in quantity and sold at price to make
way into standard of living. Progress is generally luxuries to the
few becoming common place articles. Cf. automobile.
Concrete suggestions for remedies: 1. He is in favor of the O'Mahoney
bill as presented. If matter is public tort and directors know they
will be removed, directors will be very careful. As for delays, would
have to look through Judicial Code and Federal laws.

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