Mr. ALTMEYER. I say, this 5 or 6 percent covers the families of the persons being aided under these three categories.

Senator TOWNSEND. Have you, or can we secure anywhere, the figures showing the number of persons who were being aided by the Government or States in the different methods?

Mr. ALTMEYER. Yes. That is information is already in the House record, and I think you have already asked Mr. Williams to incorporate it in this record.

Senator HALE. What is the maximum amount paid by the Government?

Mr. ALTMEYER. In the case of old-age assistance it is 50 percent, but not to exceed $15 per month in the case of any individual.

Senator HALE. Will you put in the record the list of States, showing how much comes from each State?

Mr. ALTMEYER. Yes, sir.

Senator HALE. Do most of them give the full amount?

Mr. ALTMEYER. No; very few do. I have not here the list of States, but I will put it in the record.

Statistics of public assistance under the Social Security Act for December 1937

NUMBER OF RECIPIENTS OF PUBLIC ASSISTANCE FOR DECEMBER 1937

1 The number reported in each column is the number of individuals whose applications for public assistance have been approved formally. This number is less than the total number of persons in households receiving public assistance under the Social Security Act. For other statistical information for December see the section of the Social Security Bulletin entitled Public Assistance, Statistics for the United States, published by the Social Security Board, Bureau of Research and Statistics, Division of Public Assistance Research.

2 Federal funds available but no payments made for this month.

Statistics of public assistance under the Social Security Act for December 1937-Con.

AMOUNT OF OBLIGATIONS INCURRED FOR PAYMENTS TO RECIPIENTS OF PUBLIC ASSISTANCE FOR DECEMBER 1937 3

2 Federal funds available but no payments made for this month. 3 Amount of payments to recipients from Federal, State, and local funds, administrative expenses excluded. For other statistical information for December see the section of the Social Security Bulletin entitled "Public Assistance, Statistics for the United States," published by the Social Security Board, Bureau of Research and Statistics, Division of Public Assistance Research.

Statistics of public assistance under the Social Security Act for December 1937-Con.

AVERAGE AMOUNT PAID TO RECIPIENTS OF PUBLIC ASSISTANCE FOR DECEMBER 1937 3

3 Amount of payments to recipients from Federal, State, and local funds, administrative expenses excluded. For other statistical information for December see the section of the Social Security Bulletin entitled "Public Assistance, Statistics for the United States," published by the Social Security Board, Bureau of Research and Statistics, Division of Public Assistance Research.

4 Average per family.

Senator TOWNSEND. Where can I find that in the House record? Mr. ALTMEYER. It is on pages 60 and 61.

Senator TOWNSEND. Thank you.

Senator ADAMS. All right, Mr. Altmeyer; we are very much obliged to you.

STATEMENTS OF W. W. ALEXANDER, ADMINISTRATOR, AND C. B. BALDWIN, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR, FARM SECURITY ADMINISTRATION

Senator ADAMS. Mr. Alexander, I think what we require from you is a statement as to how much of this money you are going to get, how badly you need it, and what you are going to do with it if you get it.

Mr. ALEXANDER. There is an understanding that there will come to us, if this appropriation goes through, $30,000,000 additional; $5,000,000 of it to be used for direct relief, and $25,000,000 of it to be used for additional loans in our rehabilitation program.

Senator ADAMs. In your rehabilitation program?

Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes.

Senator ADAMS. Which is a relief program?

Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes, but it is relief largely by loans, rather than by grants.

Senator ADAMS. You are the only agency in the Government that is making direct grants now?

Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes; I think that is correct.

Senator ADAMS. The only direct relief?

Mr. ALEXANDER. We are now carrying about 150,000 families on relief, and that number will probably increase to 175,000, and it may run up to as many as 200,000 families.

Senator BYRNES. Will you put into the record a list of the States in which you have made these direct grants, and the amounts? Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes. We will insert a report in this record. Senator BYRNES. I have it, but I thought perhaps this committee might like to have it.

TABLE 1.-Grants certified, July 1, 1935–Jan. 31, 1938

TABLE 1.-Grants certified, July 1, 1935–Jan. 31, 1938—Continued

Senator HALE. The $30,000,000 that you will receive is not out of new money?

Mr. ALEXANDER. It is not out of new money from this proposed appropriation.

Senator HALE. It is out of the reserve?

Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes.

Senator BYRNES. I have one other request to make. Will you put into the record a statement of the loans by States?

Mr. ALEXANDER. By States; yes.

Senator BYRNES. And can you tell us how those loans are being repaid?

Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes, sir.

Senator BYRNES. Will you show the amount repaid in each State? Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes, sir; a total of more than $40,000,000. Senator RUSSELL. I should like that table to show the average loan within each State, and the average grant.

Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes, sir.

TABLE 2.-Loans certified, July 1, 1935-Jan. 31, 1938