Mr. DOUGLAS. I don't know what they were referring to. Mr. DOUGLAS. I don't. Senator DANIEL. All right. Earlier than this month, and over at 900 N Street at the Henrietta Apartments, did you see Charles "Red" Parker? Mr. DOUGLAS. No; I have not. Senator DANIEL. It is in the 900 block, Mr. Reporter, of N Street. You are acquainted with the Henrietta Apartments in the 900 block of N Street; are you not? Mr. DOUGLAS. I am not. Senator DANIEL. Doesn't your sister live there? Mr. DOUGLAS. My sister does not. Senator DANIEL. Does anybody akin to you live in the 900 block of N Street NW? Mr. DOUGLAS. No one akin to me lives there. Senator DANIEL. Have you ever heard of the Henrietta Apartments? Mr. DOUGLAS. No, I have not. Senator DANIEL. Have you ever been in any building in the 900 block of N Street NW.? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have lived there once. Senator DANIEL. How long ago? Mr. DOUGLAS. Over a year. Senator DANIEL. Over a year ago? Mr. DOUGLAS. Yes. Senator DANIEL. After you got out of Lorton Prison? Mr. DOUGLAS. Yes. Senator DANIEL. And was Charles "Red" Parker also out of Lorton Prison when you were living over in the 900 block of N Street? Mr. DOUGLAS. I don't know when Charles Parker got out. Senator DANIEL. What was the name of the place where you lived in the 900 block of N Street? Mr. DOUGLAS. There was no name. It was just an address, 936. Senator DANIEL. 936 N Street. Did you ever tell "Red" Parker that it was your sister's apartment? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. Did you ever meet "Red" Parker at that address? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. Did you ever sell "Red" Parker any heroin in the 900 block of N Street NW., here in Washington? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. Now, is it not true that after you appeared before this committee in July, you told Charles "Red" Parker all about the committee proceeding? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. I have never seen him until once or twice since the committee was open, or since it closed. Senator DANIEL. Well, on once or twice, on any occasion after this committee had you here July 19, did you see "Red" Parker and tell him about what went on at this committee? Mr. DOUGLAS. I never discussed anything that went on in this committee with him. Senator DANIEL. You have never discussed that with "Red" Parker? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. Have you ever discussed it with anybody else? Senator DANIEL. After your last appearance before this committee, Senator DANIEL. You say you did not? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. After you left this committee hearing, several days after or any time after, is it not true that you have taken off with "Red" Parker, sniffing heroin, or snorting it, in front of him while he shot it in his arm? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not, sir. Senator DANIEL. Is it not true that you helped him shoot the heroin you sold him in his arm since you last appeared before this committee? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not, sir. Senator DANIEL. Is it not true that you have been in the business of selling heroin with Clarence Cooper? Mr. DOUGLAS. I refuse to answer that on the grounds that it may tend to incriminate me. Senator DANIEL. Well, now, I am asking you specific questions now with relation to a subject you have already voluntarily told this committee about. That is, you have answered the questions that you have never been engaged in the sale of heroin. Now, I am asking you the specific question and ordering you to answer it, whether or not you have been engaged in the sale of herein with a colored man named Clarence Cooper. Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. And I ask you the same question about a man named "Wee" Jackson. Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. You have heard of "Wee" Jackson, have you not? You have been riding around in an automobile with him, have you not? Mr. DOUGLAS. He has been in my automobile. Senator DANIEL. Both before you appeared before this committee— and since; is that not right? Mr. DOUGLAS. He has been in my automobile before. Senator DANIEL. Before you appeared before this committee? Mr. DOUGLAS. That is correct, sir. Senator DANIEL. Did you ever hear of him selling heroin or any other narcotics here in Washington? Mr. DOUGLAS. No, I have not. Senator DANIEL. You loaned him your automobile, did you not? Mr. DOUGLAS. I don't remember lending him my automobile. Senator DANIEL. And you have never been engaged or tied up with him in any kind of business? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. You do know "Wee" Jackson, of course? Senator DANIEL. And what name do you know him by? Mr. DOUGLAS. By the name that you used. You do know Clarence Cooper, do you not? Senator DANIEL. Well, I send down to you a picture identified as picture D, which will be identified as picture D of today's hearing, and ask you if you can identify this person. (The photograph was marked "Exhibit D," and will be found in the files of the subcommittee.) (The photograph was shown to the witness.) Mr. DOUGLAS. It resembles Cooper. Senator DANIEL. It looked to you like Clarence Cooper? Mr. DOUGLAS. It resembles him. Senator DANIEL. Now, how long have you known Clarence Cooper? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have known him since I was incarcerated in the penitentiary. Senator DANIEL. In Lorton? Mr. DOUGLAS. At Lorton. Senator DANIEL. Is that where you first met him? Mr. DOUGLAS. That is where I first met him. Senator DANIEL. Have you and he been associated in any kind of business or had any dealings together on any subject since you and he got out of Lorton Prison? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. Do you know where he lives? Mr. DOUGLAS. No, I do not. Senator DANIEL. Have you ever been to his house? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have. Senator DANIEL. Where is it? Isn't it on Rhode Island Avenue? Mr. DOUGLAS. I think he was living there once. Senator DANIEL. Well, is it not true that in July of this year, July 28, to be exact, only 9 days after you appeared before this committee, you went to Clarence Cooper's house at 36 Rhode Island Avenue NÉ., for the purpose of making a sale of heroin? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. Didn't you direct two men who said they were addicts and that they needed some heroin to go to Clarence Cooper's house and that they could get it there? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have never. Senator DANIEL. And were you not there by the time they got there? Mr. DOUGLAS. I was not. Senator DANIEL. Did you not arrange the sale for these two addicts by Clarence Cooper of heroin capsules on July 28, 1955? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. Did anybody in July of this year ever ask you to get him some heroin? Mr. DOUGLAS. I do not remember anyone asking me to get them any heroin or any other kind of drugs. Senator DANIEL. Is it not true that after your testimony before this committee, and before that, Clarence Cooper was selling heroin for you? Mr. DOUGLAS. No one ever sold any heroin for me. Senator DANIEL. Do you remember the same month that you last appeared before this committee, two boys coming to see you named Joe and Frank? Mr. DOUGLAS. I do not recall. Senator DANIEL. Did you ever hear of Joe Pitts? Mr. DOUGLAS. I think I have. Senator DANIEL. Did you see him in July after you testified before this committee? Mr. DOUGLAS. I cannot remember. Senator DANIEL. Did you ever hear of a boy named Frank who came to see you with Joe Pitts, wanting some heroin? Mr. DOUGLAS. I cannot remember. Senator DANIEL. I will ask Frank to step forward, please. Excuse me. No pictures of this man, please; no pictures of this man that we have just called forward here. Hold your hand up. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? FRANK I do. TESTIMONY OF AN UNDISCLOSED WITNESS Senator DANIEL. Now, to this witness, who will be identified as Frank, I will ask you this question. Were you in the company of one Joe Pitts on July 28, 1955, when the two of you asked William Douglas for some heroin? The WITNESS. Yes, sir; I was. Senator DANIEL. And how were you dressed at that time? The WITNESS. Well, I had a mustache at the time. I had my hair real long, and I was wearing rather tacky clothes. Senator DANIEL. Were you an undercover agent? The WITNESS. Yes, sir; I was working as an undercover agent in the Metropolitan Police Department. Senator DANIEL. For the District Police? The WITNESS. Yes, sir; the Metropolitan Police Department. Senator DANIEL. All right. And you did see William Douglas? Is this the man you talked to? The WITNESS. Yes, sir; I did talk to Douglas. Senator DANIEL. About getting some heroin? The WITNESS. Yes, sir; I did. Senator DANIEL. Did you see him on more than one occasion? The WITNESS. Yes, sir. I saw him on the 28th and I saw him again on the 10th. I saw him twice on the 28th. Senator DANIEL. All right. Now, William Douglas, after this man Frank having told you that he was wearing different clothing on that occasion, I will ask you to look at him and tell the committee whether you ever saw this man before. TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM DOUGLAS-Resumed Mr. DOUGLAS. Yes; I have. Senator DANIEL. When you saw him before, did he have a mustache? Mr. DOUGLAS. I don't recall. Senator DANIEL. Did he have long hair? Mr. DOUGLAS. I don't recall, sir. Senator DANIEL. Do you know how he was dressed? Mr. DOUGLAS. No; I don't. Senator DANIEL. You do admit that you have seen this man before? Mr. DOUGLAS. Yes; I have. Senator DANIEL. Did you see him with Joe Pitts? Mr. DOUGLAS. I think he was with him. Senator DANIEL. They were together? Mr. DOUGLAS. I think so. Senator DANIEL. You can sit down, Frank. Mr. DOUGLAS. I think Pitts asked me for something. I don't recall what it was. Senator DANIEL. What did he ask you for? Mr. DOUGLAS. I do not recall what he asked me for. Senator DANIEL. I hate to keep reminding you about the oath. I do not suppose I need to do it any further, because you know the seriousness of it. But I just want to ask you one more time, what did Pitts, in the presence of this man Frank, ask you for? You said "something." What did he ask you for? Mr. DOUGLAS. I don't recall what he asked me for. Senator DANIEL. Was it for a car? Mr. DOUGLAS. I do not recall what he asked me for. Senator DANIEL. Was it for a suit of clothes? Mr. DOUGLAS. I don't remember what he asked me for. Senator DANIEL. You just remember that Pitts asked you for something? Mr. DOUGLAS. He did. Senator DANIEL. Could it have been heroin? Mr. DOUGLAS. It could have. Senator DANIEL. Could it have been stuff or some bags or other names that they use to refer to heroin? Mr. DOUGLAS. He could have asked me for anything. Senator DANIEL. He could have asked you for anything. Well, what did you tell him? Did you tell him you had any? Mr. DOUGLAS. I did not, because I don't have any. I never had any. Senator DANIEL. Well, what did you tell him? Mr. DOUGLAS. I don't recall what I told him, because I don't remember what he asked me for. Senator DANIEL. This was after you had appeared before this committee in July, only a few days. Did you not tell them that you would help them get some, and took some money from one of them to go out and get some heroin Mr. DOUGLAS. I did not. Senator DANIEL (continuing). And come back and tell them, after you returned, that you were unable to get it at that time, but for them to go to Clarence Cooper's house on Rhode Island Avenue? Mr. DOUGLAS. I have not. Senator DANIEL. You did not tell them that? Mr. DOUGLAS. I did not tell them that. Senator DANIEL. And then weren't you at Clarence Cooper's house when these two men, Frank and Joe, came in and purchased heroin from Clarence Cooper? |