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DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES, EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES
APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1985

HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

CIS RECORD ONLY:

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-EIGHTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

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SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, HEALTH
HUMAN SERVICES, EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES

NEAL SMITH, Iowa

WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky, Chairman

DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin
EDWARD R. ROYBAL, California

LOUIS STOKES, Ohio

JOSEPH D. EARLY, Massachusetts

BERNARD J. DWYER, New Jersey

STENY H. HOYER, Maryland

SILVIO OCONTE, Massachusetts
GEORGE M. O'BRIEN, Illinois 84
CARL D. PURSELL, Michigan
JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois
C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida

HENRY A. NEIL, JR., FREDERICK F. PFLUGER, Robert L. KNISELY, MICHAEL A. STEPHEN CUMEN

BETTILOU TAYLOR, Subcommittee Staff

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DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1985

HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-EIGHTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION

SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES

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HENRY A. NEIL, JR., FREDERICK F. PFLUGER, ROBERT L. KNISELY, MICHAEL A. STEPHENS, and

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COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi, Chairman

EDWARD P. BOLAND, Massachusetts
WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky

NEAL SMITH, Iowa

JOSEPH P. ADDABBO, New York
CLARENCE D. LONG, Maryland
SIDNEY R. YATES, Illinois
DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin
EDWARD R. ROYBAL, California
LOUIS STOKES, Ohio
TOM BEVILL, Alabama

BILL CHAPPELL, JR., Florida
BILL ALEXANDER, Arkansas

JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania

BOB TRAXLER, Michigan

JOSEPH D. EARLY, Massachusetts
CHARLES WILSON, Texas

LINDY (MRS. HALE) BOGGS, Louisiana
NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington
MATTHEW F. McHUGH, New York
WILLIAM LEHMAN, Florida

JACK HIGHTOWER, Texas

MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota

JULIAN C. DIXON, California

VIC FAZIO, California

W. G. (BILL) HEFNER, North Carolina

LES AUCOIN, Oregon

DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii

WES WATKINS, Oklahoma

WILLIAM H. GRAY III, Pennsylvania

BERNARD J. DWYER, New Jersey

WILLIAM R. RATCHFORD, Connecticut

BILL BONER, Tennessee

STENY H. HOYER, Maryland

BOB CARR, Michigan

ROBERT J. MRAZEK, New York

SILVIO O. CONTE, Massachusetts
JOSEPH M. McDADE, Pennsylvania
JACK EDWARDS, Alabama
JOHN T. MYERS, Indiana

J. KENNETH ROBINSON, Virginia
CLARENCE E. MILLER, Ohio
LAWRENCE COUGHLIN, Pennsylvania
C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida
JACK F. KEMP, New York
RALPH REGULA, Ohio
GEORGE M. O'BRIEN, Illinois
VIRGINIA SMITH, Nebraska
ELDON RUDD, Arizona

CARL D. PURSELL, Michigan
MICKEY EDWARDS, Oklahoma
BOB LIVINGSTON, Louisiana
BILL GREEN, New York
TOM LOEFFLER, Texas
JERRY LEWIS, California
JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois
HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky

KEITH F. MAINLAND, Clerk and Staff Director

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DEPARTMENTS

OF LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1985

THURSDAY, MARCH 22, 1984.

OVERVIEW OF THE FISCAL YEAR 1985 BUDGET

WITNESSES

HON. T. H. BELL, SECRETARY OF EDUCATION

GARY L. BAUER, DEPUTY UNDER SECRETARY FOR PLANNING, BUDGET AND EVALUATION

SALLY H. CHRISTENSEN, DIRECTOR, BUDGET SERVICE, OFFICE OF PLANNING, BUDGET AND EVALUATION

WILLIAM DINGELDEIN, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, BUDGET SERVICE, OFFICE OF PLANNING, BUDGET AND EVALUATION

Mr. NATCHER. The committee will be in order.

At this time, we start our hearings with the Department of Education concerning the budget request for fiscal year 1985. We have before the committee the Secretary of the Department of Education, Mr. T. H. Bell. Dr. Bell, it is a pleasure to have you appear before our committee at this time.

Before you proceed, tell us who you have with you at the table?

INTRODUCTION OF STAFF

Secretary BELL. We are pleased to be here this morning and on my left is Gary Bauer, Deputy Under Secretary for Planning, Budget and Evaluation; and on my right is Sally Christensen, Director of Budget Service, we think the best Budget Director in the Government.

We may be engaging in braggadocio about that, but we don't think we are exaggerating very much. We are really very proud of Sally.

And Bill Dingeldein, Deputy Director of the Budget Service.
Mr. NATCHER. We will be pleased to hear from you.

FISCAL YEAR 1985 EDUCATION REQUEST

Secretary BELL. I will submit my statement and make a couple summarizing comments.

Our 1985 budget request totals $15.5 billion and if it is enacted, it would be the largest education appropriation in history. It is up $100 million from 1984.

We propose $7.4 billion for elementary and secondary education, and $6.6 billion of that would be for State and local educational agencies in the field of elementary and secondary education, where we target the money on the disadvantaged and the handicapped.

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