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United States,

DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR AND RELATED
AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1997

HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED FOURTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR AND
RELATED AGENCIES

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NOTE: Under Committee Rules, Mr. Livingston, as Chairman of the Full Committee, and Mr. Obey, as Ranking
Minority Member of the Full Committee, are authorized to sit as Members of all Subcommittees.

DEBORAH WEATHERLY, LORETTA BEAUMONT, Joel KaplaN, and CHRISTOPHER TOPIK,

Staff Assistants

PART 6

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COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

BOB LIVINGSTON, Louisiana, Chairman

JOSEPH M. McDADE, Pennsylvania
JOHN T. MYERS, Indiana
C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida
RALPH REGULA, Ohio

JERRY LEWIS, California

JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois
HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky
JOE SKEEN, New Mexico
FRANK R. WOLF, Virginia
TOM DELAY, Texas

JIM KOLBE, Arizona

BARBARA F. VUCANOVICH, Nevada

JIM LIGHTFOOT, Iowa

RON PACKARD, California
SONNY CALLAHAN, Alabama
JAMES T. WALSH, New York

CHARLES H. TAYLOR, North Carolina
DAVID L. HOBSON, Ohio

ERNEST J. ISTOOK, JR., Oklahoma
HENRY BONILLA, Texas

JOE KNOLLENBERG, Michigan
DAN MILLER, Florida

JAY DICKEY, Arkansas

JACK KINGSTON, Georgia

FRANK RIGGS, California

MIKE PARKER, Mississippi

RODNEY P. FRELINGHUYSEN, New Jersey
ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi
MICHAEL P. FORBES, New York

GEORGE R. NETHERCUTT, JR., Washington
JIM BUNN, Oregon

MARK W. NEUMANN, Wisconsin

DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin
SIDNEY R. YATES, Illinois
LOUIS STOKES, Ohio
TOM BEVILL, Alabama

JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania
CHARLES WILSON, Texas

NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington
MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota
JULIAN C. DIXON, California

VIC FAZIO, California

W. G. (BILL) HEFNER, North Carolina
STENY H. HOYER, Maryland

RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois
RONALD D. COLEMAN, Texas

ALAN B. MOLLOHAN, West Virginia
JIM CHAPMAN, Texas

MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio

DAVID E. SKAGGS, Colorado

NANCY PELOSI, California

PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana

THOMAS M. FOGLIETTA, Pennsylvania

ESTEBAN EDWARD TORRES, California
NITA M. LOWEY, New York
RAY THORNTON, Arkansas
JOSÉ E. SERRANO, New York

JAMES W. DYER, Clerk and Staff Director

DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR AND RELAT

ED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1997

THURSDAY, MARCH 7, 1996.

TESTIMONY OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND OTHER INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS

DOE
WITNESS

DIANE DE VAUL, DIRECTOR OF POLICY, NORTHEAST MIDWEST INSTITUTE

Mr. REGULA [presiding]. Good morning. Let's start the hearing for the Interior Subcommittee. I appreciate the fact that you are all here to testify. I reluctantly have to say that we have five minutes per person, and I will be tapping the gavel if it goes beyond that because otherwise we're not going to stay on schedule, and we've got a lot of witnesses to hear from. So I hope you will respect the time limitations.

Our first witness today is with the Northeast Midwest Institute, Diane De Vaul.

And I will say that all of your testimony will be made a part of the record, and certainly the staff will examine it carefully, and so, if you can summarize, it will be very helpful. Thank you for coming.

Ms. DE VAUL. Thank you. I'll try and do that.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for the opportunity to testify today on behalf of the Northeast Midwest Institute. Realizing you have difficult choices to make in the days ahead, I appreciate the opportunity to explain the importance of three areas of DOE's budget that are particularly important to the region: OIT's industrial programs, the energy information administration, and funding for State energy offices which includes both the Weatherization Assistance Program and the State Energy Conservation Program.

Our 18 States, as you know, are energy-consuming States dependent on other regions of the country and other countries for the energy that drives their economies. Characterized often by high energy prices, older buildings, and older manufacturing plants, energy efficiency remains our most important energy resource. The future of this country and our region depends on a healthy manufacturing base. Industry uses the most energy of any sector of the economy and generates the most waste. Non-productive expenditures on industrial pollution abatement and control are expected to

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