Senator HARDWICK. There is not one uniform system among the governmental agencies?

Gen. MARSHALL. I can not help but believe that it will serve a great part in the economics of the country if these are all brought together.

Senator HARDWICK. Now, General, we are very much obliged to you again for your statement.

Is there anything else you want to say?

Gen. MARSHALL. Senator, yesterday you asked me for figures on the conversion of our present Army pests and camps into hospitals. I do not want to be understood as advocating that the War Department release any of these properties. I am simply trying to give you the information that you asked for.

Senator HARDWICK. At the same time, you would not oppose the release of any of these properties that can be released?

Gen. MARSHALL. I am not opposing-neither advocating or opposing-but trying to give the facts you ask for. I have taken some five Army posts not now occupied-Fort William Henry Harrison, Mont.: Fort McKenzie, Wyo.; Fort Meade, S. Dak., or N. Dak.; Fort Missoula, Mont.; Fort Lincoln, Nebr.; and Fort Logan, Colo. I have taken these places on the basis of 80 square feet per bed, and 1,000 cubic feet per bed, allowing 30 per cent of the space for the atilities in connection with the hospitals, such as operating rooms and other things, and the hospitals that I have worked out in this table on that basis at these posts are all of substantial construction, brick or concrete or similar material, and well laid out, and, generally speaking, in beautiful localities, so far as their surroundings are concerned. They are in the country, but they are amid beautiful surroundings. For instance, Fort Missoula is on a plain, backed up by mountains on two sides of it, and it is out 5 or 6 miles from the town of Missoula. Street cars run out there, and the buildings are substantial, though old. That is probably the least desirable of these that I have here.

Senator HARDWICK. What do they show in the aggregate?

Gen. MARSHALL. William Henry Harrison 164 beds, Fort McKenzie 377, Fort Meade 466, Fort Missoula 211, Fort Lincoln 153, and Fort Logan 384; a total of about 1,800 beds.

Senator HARDWICK. That is not being used by the Army now? Gen. MARSHALL. Not being used at all. Here is a picture [indicating] that shows the character of the hospitals, the character of the buildings. Every building on the post is in this book.

Senator HARDWICK. Why wouldn't this be suitable for this War Risk Bureau?

Gen. MARSHALL. I do not know.

Senator HARDWICK. You are not using them?

Gen. MARSHALL. I think probably they could have them if they want them. I do not know whether they want them, or whether they are available. I am just showing the physical conditions. I think that they would be available.

Senator LENROOT. What is the state of repair?

Gen. MARSHALL. The buildings are excellent. In Fort William Henry Harrison the barracks will need considerable repairs. The officers' quarters are good.

Senator HARDWICK. Has any estimate been made of the cost of repairs?

Gen. MARSHALL. Yes; $65,000. I think it would be double that amount, because it has not been occupied for a year or more.

Senator HARDWICK. To make available those beds to the Government, have you figured what it would cost-what the cost of the repairs would be in the aggregate?

Gen. MARSHALL. $130,000 or $140,000.

Senator HARDWICK. For the five?

Gen. MARSHALL. No; one.

Senator HARDWICK. What is the aggregate for the five?
Gen. MARSHALL. Probably $800,000 to $1,000,000.

Senator HARDWICK. To get those five hospitals?

Gen. MARSHALL. Yes; all of them.

Senator HARDWICK. 1,800 beds, or something like that?

Gen. MARSHALL. Approximately. That would be as good a figure as we could give without going over the premises and going into details.

Senator BECKHAM. Are those the only Army hospitals that would be available for this service?

Gen. MARSHALL. These are Army posts, barracks, officers' quarters, and storehouses, and other buildings that go with Army posts.

Senator BECKHAM. Their abandonment as military posts is only temporary, is it not?

Gen. MARSHALL. Well, I do not think that we can say that anything is other than temporary in connection with the military now. I think it is absolutely unsettled, but I doubt very much whether they will ever go back to these small places. The largest one of these has a capacity of 1,398 men. That is at Fort Meade, S. Dak. I doubt very much whether the Army goes back into those small places.

Senator HARDWICK. Then, this property will probably not be used by the Army?

Gen. MARSHALL. I think they will go to larger communities. I think that is the tendency of the times, unquestionably.

Senator LENROOT. You think the cost would be $950 a bed?

Gen. MARSHALL. $500 a bed, at those places. I think when you get there on the ground you will find something gone to pieces that you did not anticipate. I think the cost would be double that which has been estimated.

Senator HARDWICK. The papers that you have will show the details of this information?

Gen. MARSHALL. Yes.

Senator HARDWICK. Give those to the reporter.

Gen. MARSHALL. I want to change these figures, because I am just a little scared of them. These are on the buildings themselves, and experience would indicate that, when you are going into a place like that that has not been used for a long time, you can not sit here in Washington and say what it is going to cost.

(The statements referred to are here printed in full as follows:)

Hospitals built since the war.

(Available at the present time.)

General hospitals, including above four general hospitals (43).
Base hospitals (41)__.

Embarkation and debarkation hospitals (9).

Beds.

31, 508 66,006 11, 545

We are advised by the Surgeon General's Office that there are no further hospitals contemplated.