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SERVICES, EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES
APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1998

LIBRARY OF CONGRESS

SEP 19.1997

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HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, HEALTH AND
HUMAN SERVICES, EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES

JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois, Chairman

C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida
HENRY BONILLA, Texas

ERNEST J. ISTOOK, JR., Oklahoma
DAN MILLER, Florida

JAY DICKEY, Arkansas
ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi

ANNE M. NORTHUP, Kentucky

DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin
LOUIS STOKES, Ohio
STENY H. HOYER, Maryland
NANCY PELOSI, California
NITA M. LOWEY, New York
ROSA L. DELAURO, Connecticut

NOTE: Under Committee Rules, Mr. Livingston, as Chairman of the Full Committee, and Mr. Obey, as Ranking
Minority Member of the Full Committee, are authorized to sit as Members of all Subcommittees.

S. ANTHONY MCCANN, ROBERT L. KNISELY, SUSAN E. QUANTIUS, MICHAEL K. MYERS,
and FRANCINE MACK, Subcommittee Staff

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SERVICES, EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1998

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BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION

SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES

JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois, Chairman

C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida
HENRY BONILLA, Texas

ERNEST J. ISTOOK, JR., Oklahoma
DAN MILLER, Florida

JAY DICKEY, Arkansas
ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi

ANNE M. NORTHUP, Kentucky

DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin
LOUIS STOKES, Ohio
STENY H. HOYER, Maryland
NANCY PELOSI, California
NITA M. LOWEY, New York
ROSA L. DELAURO, Connecticut

NOTE: Under Committee Rules, Mr. Livingston, as Chairman of the Full Committee, and Mr. Obey, as Ranking Minority Member of the Full Committee, are authorized to sit as Members of all Subcommittees.

S. ANTHONY McCann, Robert L. KNISELY, SUSAN E. QUANTIUS, MICHAEL K. MYERS, and FRANCINE MACK, Subcommittee Staff

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COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

BOB LIVINGSTON, Louisiana, Chairman

JOSEPH M. MCDADE, Pennsylvania
C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida
RALPH REGULA, Ohio
JERRY LEWIS, California

JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois
HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky
JOE SKEEN, New Mexico
FRANK R. WOLF, Virginia
TOM DELAY, Texas
JIM KOLBE, Arizona

RON PACKARD, California

SONNY CALLAHAN, Alabama

JAMES T. WALSH, New York

CHARLES H. TAYLOR, North Carolina

DAVID L. HOBSON, Ohio

ERNEST J. ISTOOK, JR., Oklahoma
HENRY BONILLA, Texas

JOE KNOLLENBERG, Michigan
DAN MILLER, Florida

JAY DICKEY, Arkansas

JACK KINGSTON, Georgia

MIKE PARKER, Mississippi

RODNEY P. FRELINGHUYSEN, New Jersey ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi

MICHAEL P. FORBES, New York

GEORGE R. NETHERCUTT, JR., Washington MARK W. NEUMANN, Wisconsin

RANDY "DUKE" CUNNINGHAM, California TODD TIAHRT, Kansas

ZACH WAMP, Tennessee

TOM LATHAM, Iowa

ANNE M. NORTHUP, Kentucky

ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama

DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin
SIDNEY R. YATES, Illinois
LOUIS STOKES, Ohio

JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania
NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington
MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota
JULIAN C. DIXON, California

VIC FAZIO, California

W. G. (BILL) HEFNER, North Carolina
STENY H. HOYER, Maryland

ALAN B. MOLLOHAN, West Virginia
MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio

DAVID E. SKAGGS, Colorado

NANCY PELOSI, California

PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana

THOMAS M. FOGLIETTA, Pennsylvania

ESTEBAN EDWARD TORRES, California

NITĄ M. LOWEY, New York

JOSÉ E. SERRANO, New York

ROSA L. DELAURO, Connecticut

JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia

JOHN W. OLVER, Massachusetts
ED PASTOR, Arizona

CARRIE P. MEEK, Florida

DAVID E. PRICE, North Carolina
CHET EDWARDS, Texas

JAMES W. DYER, Clerk and Staff Director

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HON. RICHARD W. RILEY, SECRETARY OF EDUCATION

MARSHALL S. SMITH, UNDER SECRETARY

THOMAS P. SKELLY, DIRECTOR, BUDGET SERVICE

INTRODUCTION OF WITNESSES

Mr. PORTER. The subcommittee will come to order.

We're very pleased to welcome today Secretary Richard Riley, the Secretary of Education, to begin our hearings on the Department of Education's budget.

Mr. Secretary, I want to welcome you to your fifth appearance before this subcommittee. I would particularly like to thank you and your fine staff, including Tom Skelly, your recently-appointed Deputy Assistant Secretary for Budget, for providing the subcommittee with complete budget justifications within a short period of time of the arrival of the President's budget.

OPENING REMARKS OF THE CHAIRMAN

Mr. Secretary, I believe that the Administration's approach of simply adding funds to the education accounts with no real understanding of their effectiveness is both imprudent and harms rather than helps them.

We give the illusion of assisting and caring, but in reality some of the funds go to programs of dubious effectiveness, overhead expenses, or narrow categorical programs of interest only to policy insiders.

We need a far better understanding of the impact of programs on the children.

I'm disappointed that the consultation with the subcommittee over the implementation of the Government Performance and Results Act has begun so late in the cycle. Moreover, new proposals such as technology, school construction, national testing, afterschool centers, and others are presented to Congress with no performance measures and seem to have been created without any consideration of them.

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