Mr. YATES. How has this been working out, Mr. Turpin?

Mr. TURPIN. Very well, Mr. Chairman. We are very tight, I might say, under that fund both in this year and in 1962. One reason is because we are providing more and more services to the program through the automatic data processing which relieves the program managers from certain functions, but it adds some cost to our function.

Mr. THOMAS. I have seen no decrease there yet.

Mr. TURPIN. There are some decreases in unit costs of work, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. YATES. It is made up in volume.

Mr. THOMAS. The overall figure has not decreased any.

SUMMARY STATEMENT ON OTHER OBJECTS

Mr. YATES. We will insert I-53 in the record, dealing with other objects.

(Page I-53 referred to follows :)

OPERATING EXPENSES, PBS

SUMMARY STATEMENT ON "OTHER OBJECTS" FOR 1962

Although amounts for obligations by objects are explained in the justification for each activity, objects other than personal services are summarized below. Except for travel, office furniture, equipment, and payments in lieu of taxes, all costs for the buildings managment activity are handled through and reimbursed to the buildings management and construction services funds. These reimbursed amounts totaling $165,681,300 are in this estimate under "25 other services." Of the remaining $10,318,700 for 1962, $3,787,300 is for personal services and $6,531,400 is for other objects.

21 Travel, $407,500,-$366,300 for 15,868 travel days essential in operation retirement fund; $23,500 for contributions to health benefits fund; $12,600 for group insurance, and $600 for FICA taxes.

21 Travel, $407,500.—$366,300 for 15,868 travel days essential in operation of buildings and facilities and in real estate activities scattered throughout the country, $13,000 for local transportation, and $28,200 for motor pool services. 22 Transportation of things, $21,100.-Transportation costs on administrative supplies and program materials.

23 Communication services, $131,000.-$31,100 postage fees and $99,900 for telephone and teletype services.

24 Printing and reproduction, $57,300.-Printing and reproduction of administrative and program material, including floor plans of buildings for use in space assignment and utilization surveys.

25 Other services, $165,789,200.-$165,412,600 for payment to buildings management fund for building management services and $268,700 for payment to construction services fund for salaries and related expenses of personnel engaged in the central direction of buildings programs and projects. The remaining $107,900 is for contract appraisals and other miscellaneous services.

25 Payment to administrative operations fund, $4,600,000.-For administrative operations necessary to support this program, including related travel 25 Services of other agencies, $20,000.-Includes reimbursement to Interior for surveys under surplus property program; Civil Service Commission for security investigations; health room services; and various miscellaneous services.

26 Supplies and materials, $50,100.-For administrative supplies and materials.

31 Equipment, $505,100.-For normal replacement of cafeteria equipment and GSA furniture, including $500,000 for buildings management activities and $5,100 for other activities.

41 Grants, subsidies, and contributions, $348,600.-For payment of real property taxes on certain properties transferred from Reconstruction Finance Corporation.

Mr. YATES. We had reached page I-54 when we recessed yesterday. This is the second item under real property activities entitled "Repair and Improvement of Public Buildings."

Insert the chart which appears on page I-54 in the record. (The page I-54 referred to follows:)

REPAIR AND IMPROVEMENT OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS

Summary reconciliation of 1962 estimates to comparable amounts for 1961

Mr. YATES. Does GSA recommend a decrease in this fund this year?

Mr. TURPIN. No, sir. In obligations, counting the carryover balance we had from 1960, there will be a greater amount available for obligation in 1961 than the appropriation of $60 million we are requesting for 1962.

For 1961 there was $58 million appropriated.

Mr. YATES. So actually there is approximately another one and a half million dollars you want over last year?

Mr. TURPIN. Actually $2 million, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. YATES. I look at the top of page I-55 and I see the difference is one and a half million dollars.

Mr. TURPIN. That is correct on a net basis. The difference in the amount available for obligations is shown. Fifty-eight million dollars was appropriated in 1961. Then, there was a transfer from the Department of Defense of $406,000 related to some facilities transferred to GSA. The difference between the total of $58.4 million in 1961 and the $60 million for 1962 is an increase of $1.5 million.

UNOBLIGATED BALANCE

Mr. JONAS. What about the unobligated balance? Will that amount be available in addition to the $60 million?

Mr. WALLACE. No, sir.

Mr. THOMAS. Give him the figure.

Mr. TURPIN. $7.8 million is the figure carried over from 1960 and is available for obligation in 1961.

Mr. JONAS. You have available $67,874,000?

Mr. TURPIN. No, sir. We do not anticipate any carryover from the end of 1961 to 1962.

Mr. OSTERTAG. You do not anticipate any carryover into 1962? Mr. TURPIN. That is correct, sir.

COST OF LONG RANGE REPAIR AND IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM

Mr. YATES. The committee will be interested in the last paragraph which appears at the bottom of this page I-55. It is indicated the amount of work necessary to relieve major obsolescence and deterioration to bring the properties up to modern standards of usefulness will cost $355.4 million. How many buildings does that include?

Mr. RANTZOW. We have a total of 4,900 buildings covered by this appropriation. The $355 million is the amount of work to improve the buildings to put them up to modern-day standards

Mr. YATES. What does that phrase mean?

Mr. RANTZOW. Adequate heating, modern lighting, and air conditioning in the zones where air conditioning is needed.

Mr. YATES. I am still not clear. How many buildings are involved in this figure of $355.4 million?

Mr. RANTZOw. All of them.

Mr. THOMAS. It might be well for somebody to give us a résumé of this program. Is this a 5- or 10-year program? The expenditure is less than $200,000 per building. Is this a continuation of the program? How long a program is it? Give us a history of it.

This is a modernization program based on a 10-year cycle, is it not? Mr. RANTZOW. The balance of a program started in 1957.

Mr. THOMAS. Go ahead.

Mr. RANTZOW. This is a program where all of the buildings have been surveyed by building evaluation efforts, and on a progressive basis the buildings through these expenditures would be brought up to the necessary state of repair.

As shown at the top of page I-56, this could be programed and completed by 1965, assuming appropriations in the amounts indicated. Mr. THOMAS. And it might be well to break it down here for Mr. Yates and tell him how you will spend this money.

You have major alteration and repair program, air conditioning, administrative operations, which is about 6 percent, the fallout shelters, and so on.

AIR-CONDITIONING PROGRAM

Tell us about your air-conditioning program where you are spending $102 million this year.

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When will that be completed? Also give Mr. Yates a list of the projects on which you intend to spend this money. That will just about wrap up the program.

Apparently this money is in and outside the District of Columbia. The two programs now are wrapped up into one.

Mr. WALLACE. Yes, sir. We have completed air-conditioning at 525 locations, totaling 52 million square feet of space. This represents 25 percent of the number of buildings to be air conditioned and 68 percent of the total square footage.

To complete the air-conditioning program will require air-conditioning 1,574 more locations involving 24.5 million square feet of additional space, at an estimated cost of $4.73 per net square foot based on past experience, or a total to complete our program after 1961 of $115.6 million.

Mr. YATES. Total cost of air-conditioning in these buildings will amount to $115 million?

Mr. WALLACE. To complete the program, yes, sir.

Mr. OSTERTAG. Over 5 years?

Mr. WALLACE. Over 5 years if we can get funds to do it.

Mr. YATES. The chart at the top of page I-56 indicates the breakdown over a 5-year period, does it not?

Mr. WALLACE. Yes, sir.

LONG-RANGE MODERNIZATION PROGRAM

Mr. YATES. Insert that page and page I-55 into the record. (The pages referred to follow :)

THE LONG-RANGE PROGRAM

Information obtained from continuing inspections of Federal buildings revealed that at the beginning of fiscal year 1961 the amount of work necessary to relieve major obsolescence and deterioration, bring the properties up to modern standards of usefulness and improve working conditions and efficiency of occupying agencies, would cost $355.4 million. This is exclusive of day-to-day maintenance repairs, improvements to PHS facilities, modernization of buildings to be scheduled simultaneously with POD modernization projects, conversion of buildings from special to general purpose use including those released by POD, and fallout shelters in selected Government-owned buildings. In all, work to be financed by GSA over the 5-year period beginning with 1961, is estimated at $528.8 million. The following tabulation shows the proposed phasing of the program over the period 1961 through 1965:

Long range repair and improvement program