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1 An additioral $1,000,000 appropriated in 1961 is available for obligation in 1962 for UHF-TV study ($70,120 for personal services, $5,180 for personal benefits, $7,000 for travel, $917,000 for other services).

BROADCAST BUREAU STAFF

Mr. THOMAS. In the Office of the Chief you have 11 people. Now how many?

Mr. BARR. I can break those people down roughly.

Mr. THOMAS. What do they do?

Mr. BARR. Five of the people are clerical and the Chief, the Assistant Chief, the Assistant to the Chief, a total of eight which is the present staff.

Mr. THOMAS. Three "chiefs" and eight "Indians."

Mr. BARR. Yes, sir.

Mr. THOMAS. Now in that Broadcast Facilities Division, what is the nature of that, what are the qualifications of those people?

Mr. BARR. This is the Division responsible for processing the initial broadcast application. That is where the workload falls. Mr. THOMAS. Are these engineers? These are not engineers, are they?

Mr. BARR. The majority of those 79 people are engineers. I have a figure here.

Mr. THOMAS. How many engineers out of that group, out of those 79?

Mr. BARR. Thirty-five. Now Mr. Chairman if I can refer to the present makeup, instead of the 79 we have 68. I can give you the present figure. Engineers would be about the same proportion. On the basis of 68 people in the Broadcast Facilities Division, which is what we have now, we have 35 engineers.

HEARING DIVISION STAFF

Mr. THOMAS. And in your Hearing Division you charge a certain number to the hearing examiners. How many are assigned to this Division?

Mr. BARR. Mr. Chairman, can I show you this breakdown of our present staff in the Broadcast Bureau?

Mr. THOMAS. You don't charge any hearing examiners here.

Mr. BARR. That is correct; we do not.

Mr. THOMAS. How many lawyers in the crowd?

Mr. BARR. Thirteen out of a total of 27 people.

Mr. THOMAS. How many hearing examiners are usually assigned to this Bureau?

Mr. BARR. No hearing examiners within the Broadcast Bureau. That is a separate unit.

Mr. THOMAS. How many services use the hearing examiner within the Bureau?

Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I would say about 80 to 85 percent of the hearing examiner's time is devoted to Broadcast Bureau Services; that is, AM-FM, TV.

Mr. THOMAS. Of the entire division?

Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Yes, sir.

RULES AND STANDARDS DIVISION STAFF

Mr. THOMAS. Now in the Rules and Standards Division you have 25. What is the nature of these positions?

Mr. BARR. Rules and Standards Division is our most understaffed division, I think. That is an area where if we had the people to work we could attack these backlog problems at the roots, and change the procedures and criteria that form the basis for processing applications. Our AM backlog is tremendous. The reason is that there is. a bottleneck at the engineering stage. The complexity and intricate procedures employed in examining an application makes it necessary to spend weeks on an individual application. In order to change that the whole structure has to be changed.

Mr. THOMAS. You have been examining them for 25 or 30 years. What is holding it up?

Mr. BARR, We did not have enough people to work on it.

Mr. THOMAS. There is a research job here which you refer to every year and there is nothing being done every year. What is the trouble?

AUTOMATIC DATA PROCESSING

Mr. MINOW. I think it is appropriate here, Mr. Chairman, to say that we are moving toward a data processing system on this. Mr. Cox has a feasibility study which he is preparing and he is prepared to tell about it-which we hope will expedite this through the use of modern computer machines.

Mr. THOMAS. Is this an engineering job that these people are doing? Mr. BARR. In large measure.

Mr. THOMAS. Three or four years ago we gave the Bureau of Standards about $50,000 or $75,000 to work on it. And you have got 10 or 11 people additional for your ADP. When will you come up with something concrete?

Mr. Cox. This is an extremely complex matter. We have been advised that one of the worst things we could possibly do would be to stumble into it before the details are worked out. These people are programing and have been making trial runs for the engineers in the Broadcast Bureau. They have been doing some work in depreciation work for common carrier and so forth.

Mr. THOMAS. You are saying that this Bureau is an adjunct to the Engineering Division. They figure out all the engineering information for the engineers?

FUNCTIONS OF DIVISIONS IN BROADCAST BUREAU

Mr. BARR. The Broadcast Bureau is a functional organization set up with the sole or primary responsibility for processing all broadcast applications and for regulation in the whole broadcast area.

Mr. THOMAS. Let us be very definite now. We are trying to figure out what each one of these Divisions does. We have been chewing this fat for a long time.

Mr. BARR. I can tell you what each one of them does in any amount of detail that you like.

Mr. THOMAS. Go ahead.

Mr. BARR. Do you want to start with the first one and run down the list?

Mr. THOMAS. Do it according to your own choosing. Start wherever you like.

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