Mr. BEAN. Sir, we do not take care of the automobiles in the Navajo Nation, for instance, but we do take care of their administrative offices adjacent to our pools.

Mr. THOMAS. Then your answer was incomplete. In the areas where the Bureau of Indian Affairs, Department of Interior, operate you take care of some of their automobiles?

Mr. BEAN. Their offices that are adjacent to our pools, but in the Navajo Nation, for instance, where they are scattered, we do not operate there as a pool. There we give them guidance so that they can do a better job themselves.

Mr. THOMAS. For instance, in the Denver office you do take care of their business, say, within a radius of 15 or 20 miles of Denver, but when you get out in the mountains you do not?

Mr. BEAN. That is correct.

Mr. YATES. Why cannot your operations be expanded to include areas that are not concentrated?

Mr. BEAN. My understanding of this assignment is that that was our mandate from Congress.

Mr. YATES. The impression I get from your testimony is that you are able to perform a worthwhile service in the advice you give these agencies?

Mr. BEAN. That is right.

Mr. YATES. Then why can you not take over the operation itself? Mr. BEAN. It would be possible.

Mr. YATES. Would it be advisable?

Mr. BEAN. I do not know whether it would be economical.

Mr. YATES. Have you ever studied that?

Mr. BEAN. We have; yes.

Mr. FLATLEY. To some extent, yes. What you do, you cut across operations, like the Park Service and the forest rangers. You try to teach those people to utilize preventive maintenance to a greater degree than ever before and things of that nature. The Departments and agencies themselves will rotate high mileage vehicles to those areas that get little utilization, and that results in real tangible savings.

Mr. YATES. I realize a forest ranger needs a vehicle for a longer period of time. What difference does it make if it is under the Forest Service jurisdiction or under your jurisdiction?

Mr. FLATLEY. It makes no difference so far as the direct benefits are concerned, but we would interfere with their program activities. Mr. YATES. How would you interfere?

Mr. FLATLEY. Because looking at it coldbloodedly, we would take the vehicle away from them and not have a full appreciation of the program use by the people to whom it is assigned. In the urban areas we are right on the spot to evaluate with them their vehicle

needs.

Mr. YATES. What you are saying is that you do not have to draw any exceptions in your normal operations; you have certain rules and regulations and all agencies are subject to them?

Mr. FLATLEY. That is right.

Mr. YATES. But the reference to the Bureau of Reclamation and the Forest Service, they are not the usual agencies and are not amendable to your operations?

Mr. FLATLEY. In the urban areas they are.

Mr. BEAN. And it would take quite an increase in our personnel to do that.

Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Yates, may I suggest you might wrap this up by turning to page II-61, where you will get a complete picture. Put them both in together at this time. Get your total employment and so forth all together and wrap it up.

MOTOR VEHICLE PURCHASES AND REPORT ON PASSENGER VEHICLES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

Mr. YATES. Miss Reporter, put the statement on page II-60 relating to estimates of motor vehicle purchases and the chart that appears on page II-61 in the record at this point.

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ESTIMATES OF MOTOR VEHICLE PURCHASES

GENERAL

Public Law 152, as amended, authorizes the Administrator to establish and operate interagency motor pool systems. Passenger car and truck services provided by the GSA-operated interagency motor pool systems are financed through the general supply fund on a reimbursable basis.

Purchase of motor vehicles for such pools is exempted from numerical or other restrictions of 5 U.S.C. 78, except for price to be paid for passenger vehicles under subsection (c) thereof. Accordingly, appropriation language for numerical purchase or replacement authority is not submitted.

The

By the end of 1960, 56 interagency motor pools had been established. operation of motor pools to date has resulted generally in a reduction of more than 20 percent in the number of vehicles previously required to accomplish a similar workload. This has amounted to a saving of nearly 4,000 vehicles required to do the work now performed with 17,623 motor pool vehicles.

By the end of 1961 establishment of motor pools in 68 major cities is anticipated. During 1962 pools are scheduled for seven additional cities. As of July 1, 1960, GSA had a net active fleet of 17,623 vehicles. During 1961, 1,800 additional units will be consolidated into the pools. A majority of these vehicles will be 6 years old, or older, and beyond economical repair. In 1961, 4,200 vehicles will be 6 years old, or older, and beyond economical repair. In 1961, 4,200 vehicles will be purchased to replace 4,330 vehicles at an estimated net cost of $5,495,000.

By July 1, 1961, GSA will have in the interagency motor pools a net active fleet of 19,300 motor vehicles. During 1962, 940 vehicles will be added by consolidation, and 4,350 will be purchased to replace 4,350 vehicles at a net cost of $6,264,000.

Statement of proposed obligations for purchase and hire of passenger motor vehicles for the fiscal year 1962

EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT,

BUREAU OF THE BUDGET, Washington, D.C., February 15, 1961.

EXPLANATION OF REPORT ON PASSENGER-CARRYING MOTOR FLEET OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

The attached report sets forth for fiscal years 1960, 1961, and 1962 the data concerning passenger-carrying motor vehicles operated by the various Federal agencies throughout the world, except for tactical vehicles of the Department of Defense.

Table marked "Summary of passenger-carrying vehicle fleet changes, rentals and obligations" is a summary of changes in the passenger-carrying motor vehicle fleets of the Federal Government and the obligations for purchase and hire. It shows the total fleet operated at the beginning of the past year, the changes during the past, current, and budget years by purchase, other forms of acquisition, sale, other forms of disposition; long-term rentals; and the obligations pertaining to each. Sedans, station wagons, and limousines are included but buses and ambulances are excluded.

Table 2-Agency fleet changes-shows, for each agency, the changes in its fleet for the 3 years covered by the budget. It starts with the fleet at the beginning of the year and gives numbers acquired and disposed of. It provides detail which supports the summary information for vehicles shown on table above.

Table 3-Gross cost of purchases and proceeds from exchange sales Government-owned passenger-carrying vehicles-shows the units purchased and sold for all 3 years, together with the purchase obligations and sale receipts. It supports the obligation figures on the summary table. Trade-in values are treated as sales.

Table 4-Rented passenger-carrying vehicles-shows numbers of vehicles rented for periods in excess of 3 successive months and obligations therefor. Ordinarily, a rental of this type substitutes for agency ownership of a vehicle. The rentals from Government interagency motor pools are shown separately from those procured from commercial sources. For the budget year, there is also an estimate of obligations for short-term rentals. This also supports data on the summary table.

Table 5-Inventory-Limousines and heavy sedans-provides an inventory, by agency, of heavy sedans and limousines, both rented and owned.

TABLE 1.-Summary of passenger-carrying vehicle fleet changes, rentals, and obligations (automobiles and station wagons)

This does not include the rental or hire of vehicles on an intermittent or short-term basis.

? Non-add items since rentals from interagency motor pools duplicate vehicles owned by agency operating the pool.