TABLE 5.-Proportions of State funds distributed as general- and special-purpose aids and as flat and equalization grants, 1953–54

TABLE 6.-School program and service factors recognized in allocating State funds for the public schools, 1953-54

TABLE 7.-School program and service factors recognized in allocating State funds for the public schools, 1953-54

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will stand in recess until tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock, when our witness will be William G. Carr, secretary of the National Education Association.

(Thereupon, at 12:10 p. m., the committee recessed to reconvene Thursday, February 20, 1958, at 10 a. m.)

SCIENCE AND EDUCATION FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 1958

UNITED STATES SENATE,

COMMITTEE ON LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE,

Washington, D. C.

The committee met at 10:10 a. m., pursuant to recess, in the Old Supreme Court Chamber, the Capitol, Senator Lister Hill (chairman) presiding.

Present: Senators Hill (presiding), Murray, McNamara, Smith and Allott.

Committee staff members present: Stewart E. McClure, chief clerk; Roy E. James, assistant chief clerk; John S. Forsythe, general counsel; William G. Reidy and Michael J. Bernstein, professional staff members.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order.

We are very happy to have with us this morning Dr. William G. Carr, the executive secretary of the National Educational Association. Doctor, will you come around, please? Do not hesitate to bring anyone you would like to bring with you.

Mr. CARR. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, if it is all right with you, I would appreciate it if Dr. Glen E. Robinson, of our staff, could sit here and help me answer your questions.

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The CHAIRMAN. Dr. Robinson, we will be glad to have you come

Now, Dr. Carr, we will be glad to have you proceed in your own way.

STATEMENT OF WILLIAM G. CARR, EXECUTIVE SECRETARY, NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION, ACCOMPANIED BY GLEN E. ROBINSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION, RESEARCH DIVISION

Mr. CARR. Thank you, sir. Senator Hill, members of the committee, this is getting to be a habit. I do not know how many times I have sat in this chair and faced this committee in the past few years to plead with the Congress of the United States to accept what we in the National Education Association consider to be a proper share of the national responsibility.

If there is any aspect of the problem that has not been thoroughly explored to the last detail, I cannot imagine what it would be. We have marshaled the evidence pro and con, and those who differ have marshaled the evidence. I think the issue has been very well joined: and that, really, there is not much point to taking the time of busy