Mr. SIMKIN. On pages 3 and 4 of the submission there are listed 29 specific sites. Since this list was prepared another has been added. Mr. THOMAS. New York, Florida, South Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska-yes, I count 29. Mr. SIMKIN. There should be 30. Frenchmen's Flat is not listed here, sir. JUSTIFICATION OF THE ESTIMATES Mr. THOMAS. Insert page 16 in the record as well. (Page 16 referred to follows:) 10. Estimated supplemental included in latest budget__. 11. Date needed: For obligation, July 24, 1961; for expenditure, Aug. 14, 1961. 12. Estimated expenditures from supplemental: $4,388 4,388 4,578 4,388 190 13. Actual obligations last 3 months: (not applicable) In budget Mr. THOMAS. Where do you have the complete breakdown? Revised $180 10 190 Mr. THOMAS. We shall insert pages 6, 7 and 8 in the record at this point. 73884-61---3 12. Personnel benefits ($9,600): All of the items included in this object Total 21. Travel and transportation of persons ($28,000): Requirements of 13 additional employees on a full-time basis, and intermittent travel by 4 staff officials__ 22. Transportation of things ($1,000): Transportation costs of household goods for 2 official station moves, Tampa to Cocoa, Fla. (Cape Canaveral), and Los Angeles to Santa Barbara (Vandenberg AFB), at a cost of $350 each, and shipping costs of new equipment for additional employees__ 23. Rent, communications, and utilities ($15,000): Local and longdistance telephone costs at an average annual cost of $500 for each of the 30 installations. No additional rental costs are anticipated____ 25. Other contractual services-Other Government agencies ($6,000): Security investigations for the 16 positions, and other incidental expenses 26. Supplies and materials ($500): Desk top supplies for new positions 31. Equipment ($4,500): Furniture and equipment for positions_-_. $12, 210 107, 460 13, 035 132, 705 7,305 125, 400 8, 150 400 1, 050 9, 600 28, 000 1,000 15,000 6, 000 500 4, 500 Grand total_____ 190,000 TYPE OF PERSONNEL NEEDED Mr. THOMAS. What do the green sheets reflect regarding the type of personnel you are getting? You have one deputy director, assistant deputy directors, apparently 18's and 17's. How many 16's do you have here? Are there six 16's? Then you have ten 15's. This is the entire 30? Mr. SIMKIN. This is the entire staff, Mr. Chairman. Mr. THOMAS. You are right. What type of personnel is connected with the supplement? Mr. SIMKIN. Most of these mediators Mr. THOMAS. You have three GS-5's. Mr. MOORE. There is one 14. There are twelve 12's, and three 5's. Mr. THOMAS. Can you get the type of people you need at grade 12? Mr. SIMKIN. The men we have on these missile sites are almost without exception grade 14's, but we are hiring new men whom we will assign to the other work. We will hire new men which we will assign to the regular work. We will hire the new men at 12. For the missile site work we are assigning our older and more experienced men. Mr. THOMAS. What will you do with the new ones? Mr. SIMKIN. The new ones we will use in connection with our regular work outside the missile sites. Mr. THOMAS. I imagine it takes you a year or two to train them. Mr. SIMKIN. Yes, it does. Mr. THOMAS. You will not be able to hold this type of personnel at 12, will you? Mr. SIMKIN. That is right. TRAVEL AND TRANSPORTATION Mr. THOMAS. Travel and transportation is $28,000. Mr. MOORE. In some of these missile sites it requires considerable travel. We have one at Great Falls, Mont., which involves long travel. Mr. THOMAS. How is this money spent, by car? Mr. MOORE. In most cases, yes. Mr. THOMAS. The figure of $28,000 seems a little higher, but it is purely a guess figure, is it not? Mr. MOORE. No, sir, it is based on overall experience. RENT AND COMMUNICATIONS Mr. THOMAS. Your rent and communications amounts to $15,000. Local and long-distance calls shows an average cost of $500 for each of the 30 installations. Mr. SIMKIN. Because of the importance of this work we have many telephone reports. We have regular routine weekly reports and then we have instructed all these mediators immediately to report by telephone. INVESTIGATIONS Mr. THOMAS. You have 16 positions at $6,000. You pay $350 for investigations. That seems a little high. Mr. MOORE. For the past 2 years for any kind of investigation we have been charged the figure shown here. Regardless of how complicated the investigation it is $360. Mr. THOMAS. I thought it was lower. It seems to me you have been doing a fine job, gentlemen. Slowdowns have been very expensive and if you can avoid that you will certainly pay for your efforts many times over. Mr. ŠIMKIN. For the months of June and July we are down to man-days lost for the entire program of only a little over 300 mandays a month, which is only a tiny fraction of what it was before this program began. Mr. THOMAS. $350 is the per unit cost for investigations. You mean they do not bill you for less than $350? Mr. MOORE. No, sir. Mr. THOMAS. Do you go into FBI investigations? Mr. MOORE. We have had only one now. That is a very unusual request for us to make. Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Kirwan? Mr. KIRWAN. I have no questions. Mr. ROONEY. I have no questions. ROLE OF THE SERVICE IN A STRIKE Mr. JENSEN. At what point after a strike is in progress do you folks come into the picture? Mr. SIMKIN. Speaking of the missile program or the general work? Mr. JENSEN. In the general work. Mr. SIMKIN. In our general work we almost without exception get into the picture before the strike occurs. We get a notice under the Taft-Hartley Act. A case is assigned to a mediator well in advance of the strike. Our mediators contact the parties and attempt to get into the picture several weeks before the strike deadline. There are rare occasions where we are not welcomed and where it is difficult to get in, but in general we are fully cognizant of the situation long before a strike occurs, and, of course, we are in the picture on those occasions when the strike does occur. Mr. THOMAS. Was not John Steelman the first director? Mr. SIMKIN. Yes, sir, and he was director a good many years before it became an independent agency. Mr. MOORE. Cy Ching was the first director when it was an independent agency. Mr. JENSEN. And you stay with it until the strike is settled? FUNCTION IN MISSILE STRIKES On the missile program we have expanded the concept very substantially. Our normal function in most cases is to get in only at the time of contract expiration or renegotiation, but our work on the missile sites is deliberately planned to be a continuous contact with the parties, with the major objective being to get a correction of the problem long before a strike would occur. This is what we have called over the years preventive mediation, and this is preventive mediation on a large scale on the missile sites since our men at these sites are in contact with the Air Force personnel, with the labor people, with the contractors, and with the missile manufacturers on a continuous contact basis around the year. We have done some of that activity in our regular work but this is being stepped up very substantially here so that we get into grievance matters, jurisdictional matters, and a whole host of complaints in addition to our more normal work of the negotiation of a new contract. NATURE OF MISSILE CONTRACT STRIKES Mr. JENSEN. Is a strike called on a missile contract because the labor leader wants more pay for his men? What is the general cause of a strike being called on a missile job? Mr. SIMKIN. The bulk of the strikes in the past-of course we are down to a point now where they are almost negligible-have not been over money matters directly in terms of new contract demands. The bulk of the strikes in the past have been over jurisdictional questions, assignment of work between two unions, or grievance matters. That was the general picture through 1960. Mr. JENSEN. Grievance matters of what nature? Mr. SIMKIN. All sorts of matters. Mr. HOWARD. For the prime period of June 19, through July 28, which was when this missile program got underway, we have had 11 very short stoppages. Of these, five were over work assignment. A contractor assigns work to men in a union. Another union felt it was their work. One union complains against the contractor that this is not their work. That is on 5 of the 11. Three were over grievances, such as not paying the proper pay under the agreement. This was the interpretation of an already existing agreement. A grievance matter might also be a discharge which the employees felt was unfair. There was one stoppage which was jurisdictional where two unions were disagreeing over the matter of to whom the work should come. There was one stoppage over work investigation, and one stoppage over a dispute on rates of pay. LIMITED POWERS OVER STRIKES IN NATIONAL EMERGENCY Mr. JENSEN. In the case of a great emergency, such as during a war, a work stoppage at a missile site can be a serious matter. What powers does the President or what powers does the Government have to put men back to work in case of a national emergency where a strike is called for any reason? Mr. SIMKIN. In terms of power in the raw sense I suppose we have very limited powers. However, this missile program is predicated basically on a no-strike pledge given to the President in connection with the establishment of the missile commission and these committees, of which our mediators are the chairmen. In a sense it is a voluntary program similar to what we had in World War II under the War Labor Board procedures. You may recall during World War II actually we had very limited mandatory powers in terms of prevention of strikes but there at that time, too, we had a no-strike pledge. There were a very few stoppages but our record in this country in World War II was better in terms of time lost than it was in any of the other democratic countries where the Government had even more extensive powers. Mr. THOMAS. It was almost perfect, was it not? Mr. SIMKIN. It was not perfect but it was a very good record in terms of the overall picture, Mr. Chairman. Similarly in this program, at least up to date, when you take 300 man-days a month, the percentage of time lost in view of the magnitude of the problem is almost infinitesimal. Those stoppages which have occurred in June and July have almost without exception been one-day things. Mr. THOMAS. The only authority you have is under what law? The answer is the Taft-Hartley, is it not? Mr. SIMKIN. The Taft-Hartley procedure, that is right. That is the only direct power we have. The injunctive procedure in that law never has been invoked on a missile site. Mr. JENSEN. The reason I asked whether strikes have been called because of labor leaders asking for more pay for the employees on |