this requires some extensive self-examination both on the race question and other questions relating to assessing qualifications for a job. Senator PROUTY. I think that may very well be true; I am sure it But when this program was first suggested, the Congress was told that the people, the young people who graduated from these courses would be capable of living productive lives. If that is true with a sizable percentage of them, why we are achieving something that is really important. Now I notice at the national level the dropout rate is 32 percent; 25 percent left of their own accord; 5 percent were ousted for disciplinary reasons; 2 percent were discharged because of poor health. Now what has been the experience in your camps? What is the cause of the dropout programs; has it been serious in any of your institutions? Mr. FORNEAR. I just recently have been studying this and have had a couple of men doing special interviews on young men who are leaving. We have almost come to the conclusion that these are young men who are afraid to succeed. They are afraid of what is expected from them once they go away. Until we develop procedures so that we can explain and help them accept the idea of accepting responsibility, of becoming responsible citizens and parents, this is our main goal for the next few months. As far as placement goes, which you mentioned a few moments ago, we have been able to place young men, who came to us 7 months earlier, in welding at $2.92 an hour with Caterpillar. With Ford Motor Co. we recently had a business and industry day; they visited with us and said every young man who graduates from this we can place somewhere throughout this country. We had a Negro young man placed in a southern store who graduated from our retail sales program. He had been there 3 months and wrote me, "I'm now a floor manager." Three months. We are very proud of some of our accomplishments in this area. Senator PROUTY. How many graduates have you had? Mr. FORNEAR. We have had about 134. We are just beginning to turn out our graduates. Senator PROUTY. Have you followed them up? Mr. FORNEAR. We are following them up; yes, sir. Senator PROUTY. How many of those are gainfully employed? Mr. FORNEAR. All except 11 are gainfully employed right now. Part of this 11, 7 of them, have at this moment been out of the center about 10 days. Before each of them leaves there he has at least two opportunities for employment. Senator PROUTY. Could you submit for the record--I don't care about the names of the individuals involved-on these 134 people, the amount of schooling they had before they entered the camp, what training they received there, and specifically what jobs they are doing now? Would that be too much of an effort? Mr. FORNEAR. It can certainly be done. I don't have it at my fingertips. Senator PROUTY. You can supply it later for the record? Mr. FORNEAR. Yes, sir. Senator PROUTY. That is really interesting. That is what we are concerned about. I for one want to make sure that this training is accomplishing what it is supposed to accomplish. The only way we can find that out is to follow up some of these youngsters and see wha they are doing. I have just one or two more questions. I think Dr. Johnson hi suggested that it is planned to raise the mental and physical require ment for the enrollees in the future. Do you people think that is desirable or necessary? Miss MORRISON. I am sorry, I didn't hear that. Senator PROUTY. Dr. Johnson, the Director of the Job Corps, wa quoted in the newspaper as indicating that from now on they wer going to raise the mental and physical requirement for the enrollees I wondered what your attitude or reaction would be to that. Mr. FORNEAR. My reaction is, just what is our purpose in doing this Senator PROUTY. I assume that he is under the impression that some people are entering the Job Corps who are just not qualified for any kind of training. Mr. FORNEAR. I was not questioning what he said. But why are we having the Job Corps? My feeling is that someone has misunder stood perhaps or misquoted Mr. Johnson because in my talks with him he has indicated that we must continue this kind of thing. Is it cheaper to spend, even say if the cost is $10,000 a year, which we know it is not going to be, on a young man now and have him a self-supporting citizen or spend the $100,000 that we will to support him and his family on relief or perhaps in a prison? Senator PROUTY. There is no question about that. The question is: Are we doing it? are we successful? That is the only question. Mr. FORNEAR. We can only measure at this point the young men we have been able to graduate, and we feel we are successful. Senator PROUTY. Could any of the others submit for the record your experience with the graduates? Miss MORRISON. We have graduated to date 74 young women. We have another group graduating in a week or two. We know that about 35 percent of our graduates are employed-we have verified that— at the present time they are working. Senator PROUTY. On jobs for which they were trained? Miss MORRISON. Yes; on jobs for which they were trained. We can submit that in more detail for the record if you would like. Senator JAVITS. It will be received and appropriately incorporated in the hearing record. Mr. HADDEN. Senator Prouty, in Atterbury to date we have graduated 249. Of these, 87 have entered military service, in this age group of course this is certainly a possibility, either by the draft or by enlistment. We have placed a number of trained individuals with Inland Steel. with General Foods in the meat-cutting area, with Caterpillar, a number of areas like this. We will be happy to submit these things for the record also. Senator PROUTY. I think it would be helpful to have that information. I know there are other witnesses who want to be heard, so I don't want to prolong this, but it is very helpful to me to have this panel. Senator JAVITS. Thank you very much for appearing. Please supply the necessary material to the committee by arrangement with the staff. Miss MORRISON. Thank you very much. (The material referred to follows:) ATTERBURY JOB CORPS CENTER, A PROJECT OF THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, WESTINGHOUSE MANAGEMENT SERVICES, INC. SUBJECT: CORPSMEN GRADUATES-ATTERBURY JOB CORPS CENTER DEAR SIR: The following information is supplied in accordance with request made in your recent memorandum : Employers' name and address 1. Dial Transmission, Merrick, N.Y. 3. I.U. Medical Center, Indianapolis, Ind. 4. Lincoln Dye Cast, Detroit, Mich__ 5. American Fabricated Products, Indianapolis, Ind.. 6. A & P Tea Co., Indianapolis, Ind_- 7. Szabo Food Service, Columbus, Ohio.......... 8. American Fabricated Products, Indianapolis, Ind_. 9. Max Janitor Service, Fort Wayne, Ind-- 10. Utility Helper, Atterbury Job Corps Center- 11. Shoemaker Hardware Co., Oneida, Tenn__. 12. Services, Inc., Indianapolis, Ind- 13. Quality Auto Services, Hamel, Minn. 14. Fisher Mayflower, Columbus, Ind__. 15. Western Metal Division, Milwaukee, Wis__. R. J. HADDEN, Center Director. EMPLOYMENT OF CORPSMEN BY TYPES OF BUSINESS, INDUSTRY, AND LOCATION Breckinridge has placed 141 Corpsmen in profitable employment. The area of employment vary greatly in types of business and industries as well as geographical location. Twenty one went in to various branches of the Armed forces. The following is a samplery of employers and locations where Corpsmen are employed: Ford Motor Company, Assembly Line, $3.01 per hour, Detroit, Michigan. Ford Motor Company, Assembly Line, $2.921⁄2 per hour, Atlanta, Georgia. Graflex Corporation, Lab Technician Trainee, $88.60 per week, Rochester. New York. Edwards Department Store, Salesman, Sumter, South Carolina. Brown's Manufacturing Company, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Gibbs Automatic Moulding Company, Tool & Die Apprentice, Henderson. Kentucky. Holiday Inn, Cooks Helper, East St. Louis, Illinois. Macy's Department Store, Kansas City, Kansas. Zayers, Salesman, Cincinnati, Ohio. Sears, Garden Department, Charleston, West Virginia. J. M. Field Department, Stockman, Jacksonville, Florida. Wheat Nurseries, Designing and Installing, Mesa, Arizona. Wilmore Nursery, Nurseryman, $1.80 per hour, Denver, Colorado. John's Shell Service, Foreman Trainee, 1.70 per hr plus commission, Minneapolis, Minnesota. Dakota Meat Products, Trainee Meat Cutter, Dukson, North Dakota. U.S. Government, General Service Administration, $1.92 hr, Atlanta, Georgia. To Whom It May Concern: JUNE 13, 1966. The impact of the Breckinridge Job Corps Training Center upon the economic life of the City of Sturgis is manyfold. Principally, it has provided employment for approximately one hundred people from our direct trade area. Many of these people are additions to our income producing population. Others are employed at a higher pay scale than they have been accustomed to. One of the most significant facets of the employment factor is that the migration of our younger, college trained people has been retarded. Our most healthful growth will be experienced when the time comes that no migration of these young people will be evident. Future expansion of the staff at "Breckinridge" will assuredly be a great benefit in this area. Aside from direct monetary benefits, our city will also be favorably influenced through the upgrading of services that will evolve as our economic base broadens. Sincerely, O. C. QUIREY, President, Sturgis Kiwanis Club. CITY OF EVANSVILLE, Evansville, Ind., June 13, 1966. DIRECTOR OF JOB CORPS CENTER, Morganfield, Ky. DEAR SIR: In regards to the Job Corps in the City of Evansville, Indiana. At first we had problems mostly due to lack of understanding. Today this has for the most part been eliminated due to better facilities, methods, security and community relations. From the first our relation with the Job Corps personnel has been excellent and I am sure will continue thru good co-operation. Yours truly, CHARLES M. GASH, Assistant Chief of Police. THE FIRST COMMUNITY CONGREGATIONAL CHURCH, Mr. SARGENT SHRIVER, Evansville, Ind., June 13, 1966. DEAR MR. SHRIVER: I am writing you in support of the Job Corps program at Camp Breckinridge during the past year. I have had the opportunity to come to know both some of the staff and a number of the young men at Breckinridge, and I am impressed with what has been done in so short a time. Some of the Corpsmen have been guests of our church and our church families, and some warm friendships have been made. I hope other opportunities will open up soon so more of our church families will have the opportunity to entertain Corpsmen in their homes. Through personal acquisition with some of the staff at Breckinridge, I have come to appreciate the difficulties of discovering new forms of education and training. The men on the staff I have known have possessed an unusual dedication to the task of training the Corpsmen. I very much hope the program at Camp Breckinridge will continue to be strengthened as the center moves into its second year of operation. Sincerely, RICHARD F. WEST. Mr. SARGENT SHRIVER, CATHOLIC INTER-RACIAL COUNCIL OF EVANSVILLE, Office of Economic Opportunity, Evansville, Ind., June 13, 1966. DEAR MR. SHRIVER: Our organization has been favorably impressed with the current operation of the Job Corps at Camp Breckinridge, Kentucky. We well recognize the difficulty in equipping disadvantaged youth for a meaningful role in our present day society and are hopeful that the Job Corps will be able to succeed in areas where others have failed. Incidents notwithstanding, our community has exhibited a great deal of empathy toward the Job Corps at Breckinridge and is finally beginning to become more fully aware of our continuing community responsibility in this area. You and your staff are to be commended for getting a difficult program off to a good start. Very truly yours, RAYMOND A. ANDERSEN, President. EVANSVILLE JEWISH COMMUNITY COUNCIL, INC., Mr. SARGENT SHRIVER, DEAR MR. SHRIVER: It has been my good fortune to observe the Breckinridge Job Corps Center quite a few times this past year. I have served on the Evansville Job Corps Advisory Committee since its inception and this personal interest in the Center has led me into closer contact with many of the young men currently in training. Being a Merchant of course my interest was drawn toward the very fine Merchandising training facility. It is one program that is being offered that I feel is well worth the effort and cost. I have for a number of years been working with our School system in a related field of Selling and the "Distributive Education" Clubs that try to give our young people more traning in this area. My dual interest has led me to take several young groups thru the Center in what I hope will lead to better understanding and relationship between our youth and these young men at Breckinridge. Our Council wholeheartedly joins in this endorsement of the Job Corps Training Center and urges a continuation of the program for as long as necessary. PAUL S. CAWN, President. |