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DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR AND HEALTH, EDUCATION,

AND WELFARE APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1973

United States.

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HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-SECOND CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

SUBCOMMITTEE ON DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR AND HEALTH,
EDUCATION, AND WELFARE AND RELATED AGENCIES.)

DANIEL J. FLOOD, Pennsylvania, Chairman

WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky

NEAL SMITH, Iowa

W. R. HULL, JR., Missouri

BOB CASEY, Texas

EDWARD J. PATTEN, New Jersey

ROBERT H. MICHEL, Illinois
GARNER E. SHRIVER, Kansas
SILVIO O. CONTE, Massachusetts
J. KENNETH ROBINSON, Virginia

ROBERT M. MOYER, and HENRY A. NEIL, Jr., Staff Assistants

PART 1

Statement of the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare
Overview of 1973 Budget

Printed for the use of the Committee on Appropriations

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U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON: 1972

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

GEORGE H. MAHON, Texas, Chairman

JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi
JOHN J. ROONEY, New York
ROBERT L. F. SIKES, Florida
OTTO E. PASSMAN, Louisiana
JOE L. EVINS, Tennessee

EDWARD P. BOLAND, Massachusetts
WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky
DANIEL J. FLOOD, Pennsylvania
TOM STEED, Oklahoma

GEORGE E. SHIPLEY, Illinois
JOHN M. SLACK, West Virginia
JOHN J. FLYNT, JR., Georgia

NEAL SMITH, Iowa

ROBERT N. GIAIMO, Connecticut
JULIA BUTLER HANSEN, Washington
JOSEPH P. ADDABBO, New York
JOHN J. MCFALL, California
W. R. HULL, JR., Missouri

EDWARD J. PATTEN, New Jersey
CLARENCE D. LONG, Maryland
SIDNEY R. YATES, Illinois
BOB CASEY, Texas

DAVID PRYOR, Arkansas

FRANK E. EVANS, Colorado

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FRANK T. BOW, Ohio
CHARLES R. JONAS, North Carolina
ELFORD A. CEDERBERG, Michigan
JOHN J. RHODES, Arizona
WILLIAM E. MINSHALL, Ohio
ROBERT H. MICHEL, Illinois
SILVIO O. CONTE, Massachusetts
GLENN R. DAVIS, Wisconsin
HOWARD W. ROBISON, New York
GARNER E. SHRIVER, Kansas
JOSEPH M. McDADE, Pennsylvania
MARK ANDREWS, North Dakota
LOUIS C. WYMAN, New Hampshire
BURT L. TALCOTT, California
DONALD W. RIEGLE, JR., Michigan
WENDALL WYATT, Oregon
JACK EDWARDS, Alabama
DEL CLAWSON, California
WILLIAM J. SCHERLE, Iowa
ROBERT C. MCEWEN, New York
JOHN T. MYERS, Indiana

J. KENNETH ROBINSON, Virginia

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NOTE. This Surveys and Investigations supervisory staff is supplemented by selected personnel borrowed on a reimbursable basis for varying lengths of time from various agencies to staff up specific studies and investigations. This current average annual fulltime personnel equivalent is approximately 42.

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DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR AND HEALTH, EDUCATION,
AND WELFARE APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL
YEAR 1973

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 1972.

OVERVIEW OF 1973 BUDGET

WITNESSES

JAMES B. CARDWELL, ASSISTANT SECRETARY, COMPTROLLER
CHARLES MILLER, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY, BUDGET
WILFORD J. FORBUSH, DIRECTOR, BUDGET

J. T. SMITH, SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY,

COMPTROLLER

MICHAEL STURMAN, CHIEF, METHODS AND

BRANCH, DIVISION OF BUDGET

PRESENTATION

GERALD F. MEYER, CHIEF, HEALTH BRANCH, DIVISION OF BUDGET
FRED PFLUGER, CHIEF, EDUCATION BRANCH, DIVISION OF BUDGET
EARL CANFIELD, JR., CHIEF, WELFARE BRANCH, DIVISION OF
BUDGET

Mr. FLOOD. The committee will come to order.

We now have the honor and privilege of hearing Mr. James B. Cardwell, the Assistant Secretary, Comptroller, for the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare who will be our first witness on the budget for that Department for fiscal year 1973.

In view of the size of the budget that has been requested by the President this year, he has an extraordinary burden since we are advised that, for the first time, it exceeds even that of the Department of Defense. I think that isn't because of any one person, any particular committee or committees of Congress, the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare or the Department of Defense-I think it is because that is what the people of the Nation want. I remember the song from the great old play "Damn Yankees," "What Lola Wants, Lola Gets." I think that probably accounts for the size of the request being made this year with reference to the budget for the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.

Mr. Cardwell we have known long and favorably and well. It is too bad the record can't show the enthusiasm of my inflections when I say those things. He has served many years in this Department and has served it well, and has been before this committee for more years probably than he cares to remember.

Mr. Cardwell is accompanied by Mr. Charles Miller. Mr. Miller is the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Budget. Mr. Miller is doing his best to fill the very large shoes of Mr. Cardwell who before he became the

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top brass was in Mr. Miller's job. In the opinion of this committee he is doing very well with a tough assignment.

Mr. Cardwell and Mr. Miller will be accompanied by Mr. Wilford J. Forbush, the Director of the Budget.

Mr. Cardwell, with that suppose you take up the curtain.

CHART PRESENTATION

I think perhaps I should add that this first hearing traditionally is in the nature of a chart presentation for the purpose of giving us an overall picture of the Department's budget. We listen, I am sure, attentatively; but we don't consider this an examination period unless there is some item a member wishes to have clarified. We will have the Secretary here tomorrow and the next day to present the rationale for the budget and will be questioned on the reasoning and policy considerations behind it.

Mr. CARDWELL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I really do enjoy coming back. I have always admired and respected this group and the consideration it gives to HEW's budget.

As you said the Secretary will be here tomorrow.

Mr. FLOOD. I think you would like to know, all of you and the subcommittee too, at the annual dinner of the Wilkes Barre Chamber of Commerce the Secretary was our guest and delivered the principal address. It is the first time I ever heard him speak at that sort of thing. I introduced him elaborately, going into the Harvard background and his ethnic origin and so on, as well as his long years of public service. I want you to know that he made quite a hit, he really did. He did very well. He is a good fellow as well as a distinguished member of the President's Cabinet. As a matter of fact I couldn't have done better myself and that is going pretty far.

Mr. CARDWELL. Yes, it is.

PRESENTATION BY COMPTROLLER

Mr. CARDWELL. Our purpose today is to give you a kind of a background for the budget. It is a fairly complicated one as I am sure many of you already know.

I would like to introduce some of the other men here in addition to Charlie and Bill Forbush. J. T. Smith that works for my office. The rest of the members here are members of Charlie's staff. Gerry Meyer handles the health part of the budget, Fred Pfluger, the educational, and Earl Canfield, the Social and Rehabilitation Service.

Mr. FLOOD. We have known Pfluger long and well.

Mr. CARDWELL. Mike Sturman who will be at the charts handles putting the papers together that make up the budget.

With that background let's get started. We have a lot of territory to cover. Don't hesitate to interrupt. We would like to keep it as informal as we know how. It is your hearing.

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