At any rate, the facts in detail will be presented, as Mr. Welsh has said, by the representatives of the American Legion of Pennsylvania when they come before the committee to-morrow; so that I do not need to go into this, although I could, from letters on file in my own office, give some facts that would be very pertinent. But they would only be illustrative of the larger collection of facts and statements that I have no doubt will be made by the representatives of the Legion.

Mrs. ROGERS. You can file those later if you wish to, Doctor.

Mr. TEMPLE. I have always had a hesitancy about filing letters on particular cases, because I do not like to make public statements that individual men have made to me about their own condition. I think I owe them a certain confidential treatment, and I have never used a soldier's case to advertise myself.

I am interested in these bills that the committee is considering just now. I do not believe that we ought to consider State lines particularly, or really consider State lines at all, in making provision for the veterans. But it is desirable to consider distance the distance from home that a hospital may be. If the hospital under contemplation for West Virginia were located at Morgantown it would be within 7 miles of my district. That would be about as convenient as one at Aspinwall. I am interested in having hospitals not too far away, and my first interest, therefore, would be in Aspinwall, where the facilities already exist for a considerable enlargement at less expense than would be required in some other places.

It is the purpose, I understand, of the Veterans' Bureau and the commission that has charge of the location of hospitals to increase considerably the hospital at Coatesville, where also facilities now exist.

I am also very much in favor of the diagnostic center, not only at Philadelphia, but, as Doctor Swick has said, diagnostic centers in many places. The treatment of a case after diagnosis has been made can be learned from standard medical works. Almost anybody knows how a certain disease ought to be treated, but, unfortunately, in many cases diseases do not come alone, and the same man may have two or three diseases, and it takes an expert diagnostician to determine from the contradictory symptoms just what is wrong with him. But after the diagnosis has been made it is a comparatively easy matter to use the experience of the world in giving him the best treatment possible.

So diagnostic centers are very desirable, and the hospital that is asked for in the northern part of Pennsylvania is also a desirable thing, if conditions seem to require it. Tuberculosis is treated now not only in a few climates but in many climates, and if a tuberculosis hospital is needed up there, and the investigations of the com mittee find that fact, I want it.

The principal thing is to get hospitals enough for the soldiers themselves and the disabled veterans of all wars, as is now provided in the law.

As I say, I could bring cases from my own files, but they would only be corroborative of facts that are already known.

Mrs. ROGERS. We may have to change the law, Doctor Temple, in order to provide hospitals for all the veterans.

Mr. TEMPLE. Yes. We all recognize the very great desirability and the necessity of sufficient hospital facilities, and my own hobby, if I have one, would be the diagnostic centers.

Mrs. ROGERS. Thank you very much, Doctor Temple. We are very glad to have your testimony.

Mr. WELSH. I will call on Congressman Watson.

Mrs. ROGERS. Congressman Watson, we shall be very glad to hear you.

STATEMENT OF HON. HENRY W. WATSON, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA

Mr. WATSON. Madam Chairman and gentlemen, as a member of the Pennsylvania delegation, and representing a district adjoining Philadelphia, that sent 7,000 boys to the front, I am here to emphasize my approval of these bills.

I remember during the period of the war that Members of Congress expressed themselves to the effect that they would do everything possible for the soldiers after they returned from the battlefield. Thousands and thousands now need hospital attention, and I hope that the Government will not forget the promises that they have made.

I feel that in anything that can be done by Congress to help the soldiers the first and most important is to give them hospital attention. Many of the boys are not able to pay doctors' fees. They must be taken care of by the Government; and I do hope that this committee will understand the importance of passing these bills in the interest of our boys who gave up their homes, who gave up all their prospects of the future, that they might fight for America. I hope that these bills will be favorably considered.

Mrs. ROGERS. Thank you very much, Congressman Watson.
Mr. WELSH. Mr. Golder.

STATEMENT OF HON. BENJAMIN M. GOLDER, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA

Mr. GOLDER. Mrs. Rogers, as a member of the Pennsylvania delegation, I, of course, am in hearty accord with all that has been said by my colleagues. I want to add one word, however, as a member of the Legion, and that is to compliment the committee, and particularly its chairman, on the splendid things that this committee has done since its organization for the members of the Legion.

I believe that there should be no question of State lines. In my own squadron of 24 men there was only one other man from Pennsylvania, and I think that is the experience of all men in this service. The men in the service had no idea of State lines, nor do we; and if we could have hospitals situated outside of Pennsylvania' that would do the work just as well, I would be for them.

Now, that is a question of fact. I do not think they can. But it seems to me like an incongruity that anyone should even be called upon to plead for hospitalization for our service men. And I know from my own experience with men in my district, Mrs. Rogers, that you are the last one to whom anyone need appeal for the service man.

As a matter of fact, there is a man in my Legion, in my district, and in my post who would much prefer to work for you because of what he knows you to have done for him and other men during the war than he would for me. As I say, he is a member of my post.

But it seems a strange condition that with the millions appropriated every year to kill the Japanese beetle, the boll worm, and some other things, that we should be in the position of having in our own districts men who actually have to go to a hospital to save their lives. And I apologize to you for bringing that to your attention, because I know you have given it years of thought; and you also, Mr. Fenn.

To what has been said by my colleagues I say, amen. I desire to make this suggestion, however:

I happen to be on the board of two hospitals in Philadelphia. We are pretty well crowded, but I know that if the Government officials thought it possible, certain sections of our hospitals, with all their facilities, with all their equipment, with all their paraphernalia could be set aside for use by veterans' organizations; I mean by that, not independent Legion posts but by the Government itself; and I am sure that in some districts where the Government could not afford to spend two or three million dollars for the construction of a hospital, that some arrrangement could be made with the best hospitals in those districts so that the hospital equipment and facilities of every kind, X-ray equipment, and so forth, could be turned over to the United States Government.

I know it is an easy thing for us to say that the Government should not quibble about money. I know, as a matter of fact, that it is not an easy thing to accomplish. Every department of the Government is seeking money for its own work, and I say we have got to face the situation as it is. While I deplore, as you must deplore, and Mr. Fenn must deplore, and other members of the committee, the question of allocating money where the lives of the soldiers are concerned, I think we have got to meet the issue as we see it; and I think that if I could leave that thought with you, and it could be worked out, that might be a way, temporarily at least, instead of keeping men waiting on a hospital list for a year or two to get in, that they could be placed at some private hospital.

Mrs. ROGERS. You know, of course, that the service-connected cases can be placed in private hospitals.

Mr. GOLDER. Yes. We have some splendid hospitals in Philadelphia.

Mrs. ROGERS. I was wondering if one of those hospitals could not be used for a diagnostic center, or certain wards of the hospital could be turned over for that purpose, at least temporarily.

Mr. GOLDER. I mention now the Mount Sinai Hospital in Philadelphia, which has just completed a building for a million and a half dollars, with the very latest facilities. I am sure that the board of that hospital, at a financial sacrifice to themselves, if it would serve the ex-service men, would be very glad to make any arrangement that could possibly be made that would help the soldiers. As a matter of fact, we take them in as charity cases, but I hesitate to use the word charity" as applied to a soldier and as compensation for disability. But I know, too, from my own investigations of a number of soldiers

that the Government should care for, that it has not cared for. But that, again, is not a problem for this committee.

I know that the independent hospitals will cooperate. I think there ought to be a closer cooperation between these and the veterans' hospitals so that such situations as Doctor Swick has presented might be in a manner overcome, at least temporarily, until the hospitals are built in sufficient number to take care of the soldiers; that some independent arrangement should be made.

Mrs. ROGERS. We will probably have to pass legislation.

Mr. GOLDER. I am sure that investigation would show that it could be worked out, and there would be no difficulty from the viewpoint of the independent hospital.

Mrs. ROGERS. Thank you very much, Mr. Golder.

Mr. WELSH. Mrs. Rogers, bearing upon that very thought, I happen to be secretary of a very large hospital in Philadelphia, connected with Temple University, on North Broad Street, not very far from the hospital that Congressman Golder has referred to. If it was thought advisable, I feel sure that I could speak for the board of directors of that hospital and that the Government could make very satisfactory arrangements with us.

Mrs. ROGERS. Have you taken it up with them?

Mr. WELSH. Yes. We have a big class-A medical school in connection with Temple University, being next to the medical school of the University of Pennsylvania, which is one of the largest in the State, and we would be only too glad to make any arrangements that the Government might desire looking toward a diagnostic center. I am an officer of Temple University, a member of its board of directors, and secretary of its board of trustees, and I could tell you that almost officially-that we would be glad to cooperate with the United States Government in providing a diagnostic center there at a sacrifice even to ourselves financially.

Mrs. ROGERS. May I make a suggestion there?

Mr. WELSH. Yes, Mrs. Rogers.

Mrs. ROGERS. I think General Hines could perhaps care for that without further appropriation.

Mr. WELSH. I thank you for the thought, and I will pursue it further.

Now, Mrs. Rogers, as chairman of this delegation I want to thank you and the other members of the committee for having given us this hearing.

Mrs. ROGERS. Thank you, Mr. Welsh. You have given a fine presentation of your case, and we are very glad to have all the information that you have given us.

We will meet to-morrow morning at 10.30.

(Thereupon the subcommittee adjourned until to-morrow, Thursday, April 17, 1930, at 10.30 o'clock a. m.)

WORLD WAR VETERANS' LEGISLATION

PENNSYLVANIA

THURSDAY, APRIL 17, 1930

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON

WORLD WAR VETERANS' LEGISLATION,
Washington, D. C.

The subcommittee met at 10.30 o'clock a. m., Hon. Edith Nourse Rogers (chairman) presiding.

Mrs. ROGERS. We have under consideration to-day the same bills we were considering yesterday when the committee adjourned. Who will testify first this morning?

Mr. MAGRADY. I would like to say a few words.
Mrs. ROGERS. Please give your full name.

STATEMENT OF HON. FREDERICK W. MAGRADY, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA

Mr. MAGRADY. Frederick W. Magrady; Representative from the 17th District of Pennsylvania. I just want to go on record as being friendly to any project that will be beneficial for the veterans and particularly the injured veterans and the ill ones. I understand the Coatesville hospital project will have available during the summer about 500 beds; but that this number, for the accommodation of those needing immediate attention, should be increased to 1,200. That place happens to be near my section of the State. I am not for it alone because it is within our home territory, but because of the assistance the Nation should give to those who gave or offered at least all they had to give during the time when the peril was before us. I think that is all I have as to our locality.

As to the Aspinwall Hospital, I am entirely in sympathy with that. I believe it has done good work. My information is to the effect that there has not been sufficient bed room for those who have a right to treatment and attention. As much as could be done was done in their behalf. I am for making the fullest provision necessary to take care of them, not because of the section of the State, but for all veterans everywhere in the United States who can be placed within these institutions.

I am in sympathy with the Welsh bill. I am a believer in preventive medicine and in close and thorough examination that will disclose not only the illness of the individual, but that may provide