Mr. WEICHEL. They just take up one phase of it, just the toll phase? Mr. GATOV. No; we have other matters under consideration, but in respect to the intercoastal shipping, and in respect to my testimony here I am talking about the factors that go into making toll rates and everything that is competitive with shipping and the carriers in that trade, not only the intercoastal trade, but offshore.

Mr. WEICHEL. With reference to the intercoastal trade, the only thing your association is interested in with reference to what it costs for hauling from the east coast to the west coast, or the only part they are interested in is the toll part, they are not interested in the other part?

Mr. GATOV. Our interest is in the Panama Canal toll rate situation, and one segment of the members of our association in the intercoastal trade is affected by that. That is, they are interested and influenced to that extent, but we are approaching it from a broader view than just the domestic carriers. We are talking for Pacific coast interests which have occasion to use the Canal.

Mr. WEICHEL. You said that two-thirds of the Pacific coast opera-tors, as I understood you, would not use the Canal because their operations are in the Pacific.

Mr. GATOV. No; I believe I said that approximately 64 percent of the waterborne commerce from the Pacific goes through the Canal.. Mr. WEICHEL. What amount of that is intercoastal?

Mr. GATOV. The intercoastal trade is included in that. We have quite an extensive service to the east coast of South America, the Caribbean area and to Africa.

Mr. WEICHEL. From the west coast?

Mr. GATOV. Yes; from the west coast, going down through the CanaÏ,. to these various areas and localities I just mentioned.

Mr. WEICHEL. How much tonnage a year goes from the west coast through the Panama Canal outside of the intercoastal tonnage?

Mr. GATOV. I am sorry, I do not have that figure with me, Mr. Weichel. I shall be glad to provide it for the record, but I am sorry I do not have it with me.

Mr. WEICHEL. And I would like also the amount of tonnage that moves from the east coast to the west coast through the Panama Canal.

Mr. O'TOOLE. May I interrupt for just a moment, Mr. Weichel? Mr. WEICHEL. Surely.

Mr. O'TOOLE. Are there any other people here who desire to make statements this morning? I am trying to figure out how to apportion the time. Thank you.

Proceed, Mr. Weichel.

Mr. WEICHEL. If you have the figures on how much tonnage moves from the west coast through the Panama Canal intercoastally and nonintercoastally, as you mentioned, going to the east coast of South America, the Mediterranean, and to Africa, I would be glad to have those figures.

Mr. GATOV. I shall be very happy to supply them, Mr. Weichel. Mr. WEICHEL. Thank you.

(The information requested follows:)

Hon. DONALD L. O'TOOLE,

PACIFIC AMERICAN STEAMSHIP ASSOCIATION,
San Francsico 11, Calif., June 30, 1950.

Chairman, Subcommittee on the Panama Canal, Merchant Marine and Fisheries Committee,

United States House of Representatives, Washington, D. C.

DEAR MR. O'TOOLE: At hearings on H. R. 8677, I was asked to provide the amount of tonnage that goes from the east coast to the west coast through the Panama Canal, and from the west coast through the Panama Canal intercoastally and nonintercoastally, going to the east coast of South America, the Mediterranean, and to Africa.

The 1949 report of the Governor shows the following traffic for fiscal 1949 in these categories at pages 123 to 139 of the report:

1. Total shipments from east coast of the United States to west coast of the United States via Panama Canal__.

Tons

1, 449, 561

2. Total shipments from west coast of the United States east-bound through Panama Canal_

2,839, 985

Destination of 2 above:

East coast of United States__

Mediterranean Europe (including all France, Spain, Italy and
Portugal)

Other Europe.

1, 641, 159

600, 066

For your information, I enclose herewith a copy of the report of the Governor which will give you more detailed information on the subject at the pages mentioned.

Very truly yours,

A. W. GATOV,

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