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Mr. CUTLER. I offer for consideration the fol

"Resolved, That the Sergeant-at-Arms is hereby required to procure from the Secretary of State, for the use of the members of this Convention, any extra numbers in his possession of the Appendix to the House Journal of 1848-9, containing the journal of the proceedings of the Convention which framed the Constitution of the State of Ohio."

EQUAL RIGHTS.

dent that their deeds are evil, and that they pre-head, Morris, McCloud, Nash, Otis, Peck, Perkins, Ranney, fer darkness rather than light. I assure you that Scott of Harrison, Smith of Highland, Smith of Warren, I have more at heart than any thing I have ever Williams and Woodbury.-42. Stanberry, Stanton, Stilwell, Swift, Vance of Champaign, been engaged in, the grand success of the work in So the resolution and proposed amendments were which we are now engaged, the framing of a good referred. constitution, that shall be adopted by the people. To effect that object, and enable the people to act under-lowing, which was agreed to: standingly, I want that they should have all the light they can get. You talk about the papers of the State publishing our debates! They will not publish a hundreth part of the proceedings, that will emanate from the papers of this city, which will be filled up almost exclusively with the daily report of our debates. I remember well when the constitution of the United Mr. THOMPSON, of Stark. I have a memorial, States was adopted by the Legislatures of the different sent here by a number of citizens of Stark and ColumStates, every line and letter of it was discussed upon ev-biana counties, asking that equal rights to the whole ry stump in the country. Every sylable of that instru- people, without regard to color or sex, may be engraftment was opposed by the most powerful party thened as a provision of the new constitution, and which in this country, and I expect something like this op- I desire to have read. position in relation to the constitution which we are now to form. The constitution of Kentucky was adopted by the members of the Convention unanimously, at the close of its sittings, save one individual vote, but it is quite doubtful whether it has been adopted by the people. As far as I have seen the papers of that State, before the election, they were bitterly opposed to it, and the election that took place yesterday, may have resulted in its rejection by the people. Mr. BATES. I am opposed to the resolution, be cause it is anti-democratic in doctrine-it taxes the many for the benefit of the few.

Mr. WOODBURY. I wish to offer an amendment like this, to strike out all after the word "resolved"" and insert "this Convention will not, and no Legislative body ought to appropriate the money of the State, for the purchase of books and papers for its members."

The PRESIDENT remarked that, under a rule which had been adopted, the amendment of the gentleman from Ashtabula was out of order.

The paper was read accordingly, with the signatures annexed.

Mr. HAWKINS moved that it be referred to the same committee with the memorial presented this morning by the delegate from Logan. The PRESIDENT said that memorial was laid on the table.

that

Mr. SAWYER said he felt constrained, by a sense of duty to his constituents, to say here and now, he would not sit here and permit even his fellow-citizens to petition that negroes shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of white men, without raising his voice against it. He moved the rejection of the memorial.

Mr. THOMPSON said he did not consider himself committed to the support of the doctrine of the petitioners. (a laugh.)

After some further conversation, the paper was laid on the table.

GATEWAYS TO THE LOBBY.

On motion by Mr. HUNT, the resolution offered by Mr.MANON on yesterday, with reference to two additional gate-ways to the lobby, was taken up for consideration.

Mr. HOLMES suggested an amendment, instructing the Sergeant-at-Arms to cause the two gate-ways to be opened near the east and west walls of the chamber; which was acceded to by Mr. MANON.

Mr. HUMPHREVILLE. It appears there is a difference of opinion upon this subject. The object appears to be simply to disseminate information with regard to the proceedings of the Convention-not political information. If I understand the matter, it is proposed that the proceedings here will be published from time to time, by themselves-wholly disconnecMr. MITCHELL considered that the change proposted from politics. I would suggest, and shall move that the resolution with the amendments be submitted to ed would by no means accomplish the desired end, the committee which we have appointed on the sub- which was to accommodate as far as possible all the ject of furnishing books. My impression is, that would members of the convention, unless the matter were be thebest disposition we can make of the matter. Per-first referred to a committee. He desired some change haps we can harmonize as to the amount of papers proper to be furnished for distribution better in this way than any other.

Mr. STANTON demanded the yeas and nays upon this motion, which were ordered, and being taken, resulted, yeas 64, nays 42, as follows:

Those who voted in the affirmative, were:

Messrs. Archbold, Blair, Blickensderfer, Brown of Athens, Cahill, Case of Hocking, Case of Licking, Ewing, Farr, Fire stone, Forbes, Gray, Greene of Defiance, Groesbeck, Haw kins, Henderson, Holmes, Holt, Hootman, Horton, Humphreville, Hunt, Hunter, Johnson, Jones, Kennon, King, Kirkwood, Larsh, Larwill, Leech, Leadbetter, Lidey, Loudon, Manon, Mitchell, McCormick, Norris, Orton, Patterson, Quigley, Reemelin, Riddle, Robertson, Roll, Sawyer, Scott of Auglaize, Sellers, Stickney, Stebbins, Smith of Wyandot, Stidger, Struble, Swan, Taylor, Thompson of Shelby, Thomp son of Stark, Townshend, Vance of Butler, Warren, Way, and Mr. President.-62.

Those who voted in the negative, were:

Messrs Barbee, Barnet of Montgomery, Barnett of Preble, Bates, Bennett, Brown of Carroll, Chambers, Clark, Claypoole, Collings, Curry, Cutler, Dorsey, Ewart, Florence, Gillett, Graham, Green of Ross, Hamilton, Hard, Harlan, Hitchcock of Cuyahoga, Hitchcock of Geauga, Mason, More

to be made by which persons holding conversation in
the lobby might not disturb the contemplations of
members occupying the outer seats. He moved that
the resolution be referred to a select committee.
The motion was lost.

And then the resolution was adopted.

STANDING COMMITTEES.

On motion of Mr. McCORMICK, the resolution offered by Mr. LEADBETTER, on yesterday, with Mr. McC.'s amendment pending-for the formation of standing committees, was taken from the table and referred to the select committee of "twenty-one," raised under the resolution of Mr. ROBERTSON.

CHAPLAIN.

Mr. BARNET of Montgomery, offered the following: "Resolved, That the President of this Contention invite the clergymen of this place to make an arrangement among themselves by which some one of them will open the morning sessions of this Convention with prayer."

Mr. LIDEY demanded the yeas and nays upon the adoption of the resolution:

Mr. HAWKINS. This practice of employing chaplain service, had grown up since the day when he had

the honor to be first a Legislator. He did not, per-er originating in said court, or brought there by appeal, cerhaps, understand the effect of the proposition fully, tiorari, or writ of error. and he desired to know whether it involved any expense.

Mr. BARNETT assured the gentleman that there was nothing to be paid. The service was to be gra

tuitous

Mr. LIDEY had seen a little of the operation of such propositions, and was opposed to anything of the kind. If gentleman wanted to pray here, they could come together for the purpose in the early morning, before the Convention should be called to order. He believed it was right for every christain to pray for himself, instead of employing a chaplain to pray for him; and especially he considered it entirely out of order, to invite a gentleman here to offer prayers which would be generally unheeded. He called for the yeas and nays, that it might be seen who was in favor of such an inconsistency.

The yeas and nays were ordered upon the adoption of the resolution, and being taken, resulted yeas 84, nays 19, as follows:

tive courts, and how, (by jury or otherwise,) specifying the 2. The number of cases tried at each term of their respecnumber at law and number in chancery.

3. The number of days their respective courts were in courts of Common Pleas were in session at special terms and session during the year-designating the number of days the called courts.

4. That the Clerks of the courts of Common Pleas be re

quired to state also,

of administration and guardianship have been granted by their said courts respectively within the year.

First. The number of cases in which letters testamentary

Second. The number of settlements made on the estate of

decedents, minors, idiots, and lunatics within the year.
for the sale of Real Estate by executors, administrators and
Third. The number of cases of petition for partition and
guardians within the year.

That said information be required to embrace all of the business aforesaid in said courts for the year eighteen hundred and forty-nine.

Mr. GREEN. The object of the resolution, I suppose, will be apparent to every gentleman. It simply seeks to obtain information which might very materially guide the deliberations of the committee Those who voted in the affirmative werehereafter to be raised by this convention, upon the JuMessra. Archbold, Barbee, Barnett of Montgomery, Ben- diciary department. It seemed to him important that nett, Blair, Blickensderfer, Brown of Athens, Brown of Car- that committee should be informed of the number of roll, Cahill, Chambers, Claypoole, Collings, Curry, Cutler, Dorsey, Ewart, Ewing, Farr, Firestone, Florence,' Forbes, appearances and cases tried in the courts, distinguishGillet, Graham, Gray, Greene of Defiance, Green' of Ross, ing between criminal and civil, and law and chancery Groesbeck, Hamilton, Hard, Hawkins, Henderson, Hitchcock cases. It further required information as to the numof Cuyahoga, Hitchcock of Geauga, Holmes, Holt, Hootman, ber of days the respective courts named were in sesHorton, Hunt, Hunter, Johnson, Kennon, King, Kirkwood, sion during the year, with a view of looking into Larsh, Larwill, Leech Leadbetter, Loudon, Manon, Mason, Morehead, Morris, McCloud, McCormick, Nash, Norris, Or- the expense of the establishment. He offered the ton, Otis, Patterson, Peck, Quigley, Ranney, Riddle, Robert- resolution now, for the reason that some time must ertson, Roll, Scott of Harrison, Smith of Highland, Smith of necessarily elapse before this information could be Warren, Smith of Wyandot, Stanbery, Stanton, Stebbins, obtained, and in order that it may be here in time Stilwell, Stickney, Swan, Swift, Taylor, Thompson of Shelby, Townshend, Vance of Butler, Vance of Champaign, War- for the action of the committee.

ren, Williams, and Mr. President.-84.

Those who voted in the negative, were:
Messrs. Barnet of Preble, Bates, Case of Hocking, Case of
Licking, Clarke, Harlan, Humphreville, Jones, Lidey, Mit-
chell, Perkins, Reemelin, Sawyer, Scott of Auglaize, Sellers,
Stidger, Strubie, Thompson of Stark, and Woodbury-19

Mr. VANCE, of Butler, (when his voice became audible at the Reporter's desk,) was understood to say that in the county of Butler, the issue docket of the courts exhibited a much larger show of business than the appearance docket-the former having When Mr. BATES' name was called upon the deter- upon it about three hundred cases per term, while the mination of this question, he rose and said he was not latter exhibited but little above two hundred per influenced by any feeling of hostility to religion or any term. He considered, therefore, that it would be of its institutions and ordinances to give the vote better to go to the issue docket also, for certainty which he was about to give in the negative. His im- about getting at the amount of business in any of the pression was that the surest way to call down bless-Courts. ings on our heads was by a faithful discharge of our duties.

Mr. HENDERSON explained, that he voted Aye, with the understanding that the prayer proposed should be brief, and to the point.

Mr. GREEN supposed that all that was desired by the gentleman from Butler, would be attained by the adoption of the resolution, for it proposed to ascertain the number of appearances as well as the number of the cases tried.

Mr. VANCE. Did the resolution take the whole

year of 1849?

Mr. HUMPHREVILLE desired to say a few words in explanation of the vote he had just given. He had voted No, not out of any disrespect to religion, or the| Mr. GREEN. The whole year. The latter clause ministers of religion; but, because he believed the Con- of the resolution required information of the amount vention had no authority to pay ministers for divine of business before the Courts of Common Pleas throughservice here; and he believed also that the Convention out the State. The whole object was to get a fair and had no right to invite ministers to render service here reliable exhibit of all the business of the several courts without pay. Taking this view, he had voted consci- in the respective counties of the State for the year entiously. He was in the constant habit of attending 1849. If any modification of the resolution could eliupon divine service and public worship, and contrib-cit more information, he should offer no objection. uting to its support, though he was no professor of re- He was of opinion, however, that it was now sufficientligion. ly broad to answer the end proposed.

THE JUDICIARY.

Mr. GREEN said he considered this subject of suf

Mr. GREEN, of Ross. I offer for adoption the fol- ficient importance to justify the expense of printing lowing,

"Resolved, That the Secretary of this Convention be direct

ed to address a circular to the several Clerks of the Supreme Court, Courts of Common Pleas, of the Superior and Commercial Courts in the City of Cincinnati, and the Superior Court in the City of Cleveland, requiring them to furnish, without delay, information on the following subjects:

1. The number of appearances to each term of their respective courts, (omitting in this connection petition for partition and for the sale of Real Estate,) distinguishing criminal from civil, and law from chancery cases, and wheth

the resolution, and he thought, perhaps, it had better be at once laid upon the table, and, if the Convention thought proper, ordered to be printed.

Mr. VANCE, of Butler, suggested that it might be better for the resolution to go to the committee.

Mr. GREEN had no objection to that course, except that it would induce the consumption of time. Mr. CLARK proposed to amend the resolution, so as to require these reports to embrace the number of judg

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Mr. HAWKINS inquired if the question pending at the recess, were now before the Convention?

Mr. SMITH, of Warren, remarked that the original motion, together with the pending amendments, had been laid on the table; he would now move to take

them up.

The motion was agreed to.

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er their extreme anxiety to protect the public treasury might induce them to stint themselves of a copy. He doubted whether his friend opposite, or any gentleman, would object to it. For one he desired to perpetuate the fact, by one volume in his own library, throughout all time, that he was a member of the Convention that framed a good Constitution for the State of Ohio. That would take one hundred and eight copies, besides some for the officers of the Convention. Then he proposed that they send a copy to every literary institution in the State. Also, one to each county in the State, and a copy or more to every State in the Union and to the United States, in order that the libraries of Congress and of the States should have a copy. And if there were any extra copies for themselves after all that was done, it was desirable. He [Mr. S.] had applied to a member of of the late Kentucky Convention to procure him a copy of the report of the "Debates," &c., for his use in this Convention. He [Mr. S.] however, could not obtain a copy without paying an exorbitant price, in consequence of the small number of copies of the work, and the large demand for it.

In the resolution which he offered, he proposed to print 15 per cent. of the number of copies in the German language, in order that they might have a report of the deliberations and proceedings of this Convention. It was an important subject and worthy of much consideration-they were entitled to it; he believed it to be important and necessary, and therefore he made the motion. It was necessary to be done at this time, for this reason, the printer who would do the printing of those debates ought to know how many copies he had to print, so that a sufficient number of copies of the sheet might be struck off before the type was dis"And to report the cost to each county of its civil and crim-tributed. It was necessary for another reason; the inal jurisprudence during the year 1849-what proportion of the same results from the appointment of associate judges and the cost of all criminal prosecutions occasioned by intemperance."

The PRESIDENT. The resolution and amendments are now before the Convention. Mr. CUTLER had an amendment to offer which, however, he would not press if the gentleman from Morgan (Mr. HAWKINS) did not accept. The following amendment was then read:

Mr. HAWKINS asked, and obtained leave, to withdraw his amendments.

Mr. HITCHCOCK, of Cuyahoga, moved the commitment of the resolution, with the amendments, to a select committee of five.

Mr. RANNEY considered the objects of the resolution to be very important to the future action of the Convention. He was satisfied that the motion made to refer would have the effect to embody everything necessary to guide them in the course of their labors.

Mr. HAWKINS entertained some doubts in regard to the authority of the Convention to demand the services of those parties, particularly as they were gratuitous. He did not know whether they would feel bound to perform the duties required of them.

The motion to commit was then put and carried. Mr. SAWYER said he had been necessitated to make several propositions to the Convention; he would promise that hereafter he would not trouble the body so much, and begged leave to offer the following:

subject of the public printing was now under the consideration of a committee. The prices for the work would vary, and it is therefore necessary for the printer to know how many copies of the report we would order, that he might designate what price he woutd print them for.

Mr. TAYLOR said that the proposition of the gentleman from Auglaize (Mr. SAWYER) was a most pertinent one. He considered the gentleman's observations in relation to the number of copies of the debates to be particularly important. The printing of the first thousand copies of the debates of this body would probably cost more than the next nine thousand copies. The setting of the type would be the principal item of expenditure; that secured, nothing remained_but In his (Mr. F.'s) the cost of press work and paper. opinion, the gentleman from Auglaize (Mr. SAWYER) had not named a number of copies greater than would be required. He went beyond Mr. Sawyer's proposition. Not only should the delegates of the Convention retain in their possession a copy of the debatesnot only should they give a copy to each State-not only should they give a copy to each literary institution- a copy to each county-but they should place in every township in the State a copy of the report of the this proposition because it was economical, and would The volume which he held in his hand was the re- prove effectual in spreading information in regard to It was effectual and port and journal of the debates in the Kentucky Con- the deliberations of this body. stitutional Convention. It was published in one single economical, because the more they multiplied those volume. Each day's proceedings, journal, the differ-editions of the report, the larger the edition that was ent motions made by members, every proposition, and circulated, the less would be the cost of a single volthe speeches made on the different subjects embraced, ume. He would make the prediction the work could were all contained in that volume, as he understood, not be had for less than five dollars a copy-that if the and the constitution itself. He proposed to publish by circulation were very much extended it might be got order of the Convention, six hundred copies of a work for three dollars a copy. It was just suggested to him of this kind, larger or smaller. He named six hundred that they might be got for one dollar a copy, but he because they wanted a copy of the report themselves did not coincide in the opinion. He would state that -bound copy to preserve---they were entitled to it, there was a feeling against the Convention voting any and he hoped that no gentleman would object, howev- of the public money to advance the interests of any

"Resolved, That six hundred copies of the journal, debates and proceedings of the convention be printed by the printer to this convention, fifteen per cent. of which, shall be print ed in the German language."

papers in this city to the prejudice of the country press. Already the law allowed the city papers 12 cents per thousand ems for the composition of the reports. That he considered a sufficient largesse; those reports would fill three-fourths of those daily papers; the result would be, that they were paid in that respect, the principal item of the expenditure of a daily paper. The proprietors would thus only have to pay their journeymen one-half of what they are obliged to pay, and the State would be reducing the weekly expenses of their offices.

Besides, they would have the benefit of the increased circulation which would inevitably result from publishing the proceedings of the Convention. That was enough, in all conscience, to give to the press of this city. It happened that the press was represented in this body by gentlemen; and they had the right to speak of any of those propositions which sought to extend privileges to the press of this city which the country press did not obtain. The country press would have to publish those reports without any remuneration. If the proposition of the gentleman from Auglaize, (Mr. SAWYER) was so modified that the English edition of the debates was extended

Mr. SAWYER here begged to say that his feelings were entirely with the gentleman from Erie, (Mr. TAYLOR.) He was clearly of opinion that there should be a larger number. He would state this, that the copy right of the report would belong to the State. If they printed a large number at this time, he would venture to say that there would be enough sold next year to pay the expenses of all the rdports of this Convention. Such, he understood had been the case in Kentucky. He believed that it would be so here. There was no book extant or which would be extant, that would have a greater run.

Mr. TAYLOR considered that the expense of printing the fifteen per cent. in German, would probably be as great as the English. They would really duplicate the expenditure for the reporting of the debates if the project for the printing of a German edition were carried into effect. There would be no extraordinary labor attendant on it-they would be obliged to get translators to translate the deliberations of this body into the German language-they would have to employ German compositors to set the type &c., &c. He (Mr. T.) wished to hear from gentlemen something in relation to the extraordinary expenditure which would be so in

curred.

Mr. DORSEY concurred in the importance and necessity of a large edition, because, not only by so doing they lessened the expenses, but perhaps would assist in defraying a portion of the expenses of the Convention; and, also because he considered that much impor. tance would be attached at a future time to the deliberations of the Convention. He wished a larger edition of the deliberations of this Convention in order that when occasion required, we might by reference to them, ascertain in what spirit this constitution was framed. Gentlemen should assist in carrying out this psoposal. He rose particularly to remark on the idea suggested by the last speaker in regard to printing the reports in the German language. He knew that it had been heretofore the custom to have a portion of the different State papers printed in the German language. There was indeed a large German population to be supplied, but he, for one, would raise his voice against any proposition of the kind. He represented a large German constituency for whom he entertained the greatest resspect, but still he was not in favor of printing any copies of the debates to be issued to them in their language; and for this simple reason, that he (Mr. D.) held it to be a matter of importance in this country that the English language should not only be the predominant,but

the only language used. It was necessary that in all large communities that there should be but one language in general use, and there could not be a better one than that in which we were carrying on the deliberatious of this body.

It was one part of the policy of the old Roman government, in order to bind together their own people and those whom they had conquered, to force upon them, if possible, their own language. They introduced it into their courts and into their pleadings, and every possible means were taken to cause it to be adopted If that were the course pursued by conquerors, how much more applicable was it when people put themselves voluntarily under our control. He wished that the reasons why he urged the printing of an edition only in the English language should be taken into consideration. He had done so in order to make our German friends among us, of us; and to make them American in language, and more and more in feeling. And while he had the greatest respect for the German population, he was in favor of printing our debates simply in English in order to force them, as it were, to learn our language, that they might avail themselves of that information which he knew them anxious to possess. Therefore he moved to strike out so much of the resolution that proposed to print copies of the debates in the German language.

Mr. GREEN, of Ross, said that on yesterday a committee was raised to whom was referred a communication from the gentleman appointed by the Legislature as Reporter to this body. The object of referring that communication was to settle definitely, the action of this Convention in what form those reports should be made. It would depend very much on the report of that committee how he (Mr. G.) should vote on the proposition before the Convention. The debates of the convention which recently sat in Pennsylvania, amounted to ten or twelve volumes. If they might form some presage from what had taken place here to-day, he considered that if our debates were reported verbatim, they would exceed, or at least come up to the result of the debates in Pennsylvania. Should they not wait for the report of the committee as to whether the reports be taken in full or otherwise? If they decided on a full report, and the debates ran to ten or twelve volumes, he would ask if they would vote for the proposition of the gentleman from Auglaize? He therefore moved to refer the resolution and pending amend

ment to the same committee to whom was referred the

report from Mr. J. V. Smith.

Mr. REEMELIN said he did not rise for the purpose of discussing the propriety of printing any number of copies of the debates in either the English or the German language. He would not, however, let the subject pass from before the Convention without expressing his dissent from the opinion of the gentleman from Miami, (Mr. DORSEY.) He (Mr. R,) did not go with him in relation to the English language having such effects on the German papulation, that it made them better citizens. He thought the argument very superficial. He considered it very preposterous to attempt by such a move as he (Mr. DORSEY) contemplated to force the German population into the use of the English language. The German population was a portion of the constituency that were to cast their votes for or against the Constitution they were about to frame. He had expected better things from the gentleman who represented that intelligent portion of the country which the gentleman from Miami came from. There was a portion of the population among us who did not understand the language and who could not understand or learn it. He (Mr. R.) thought it right that if the Convention deemed it proper to impart information to one portion of the citizens, it was most necessary, cer

tainly, to impart it to the balance. He only made those ( journal that the memorials and petitions which had remarks in order to show the gentleman from Miami, been presented to-day, were about to appear upon it. (Mr. DORSEY) that he could not effect his object so far as the German population were concerned.

Mr. DORSEY said he respected the German population as much as any other in the State, and appreciated the devotion of the gentleman from Hamilton, (Mr. REEMELIN) to that language. He used the words "force the German population" into the use of English, because they expressed best what he meant. He meant to put before them those strong inducements which would incline them to acquire our language. He (Mr. D.) believed that to use force to make them better republicans, as it was erroneously thought he had implied, could not be done. He admired the Germans for their sound republicanism. What he did desire was to give them a unity-a oneness with our own people, by the use of the one language, which they otherwise could not attain. Language was the great connecting link which bound men tegether; and one great means of effecting that unity was to give them our own language as an inducement to the acquisition of what they desired to possess.

Mr. REEMELIN in reply, said he had not misunderstood the gentleman. He considered the objections of the gentleman from Miami, (Mr. DORSEY) were like that of the inan who would not go into the water until he could swim. All of the German population were desirous of learning English, but he knew that many of them were unable to speak the language, from the advanced age they came into the United States. He was not absurd enough to suppose that a people could not love freedom and happiness, though they spoke one language in preference to another. That had nothing to do with the question. The question was whether they would impart information to the German population, in their own language. It was not a boon that they asked, but it was a right which they demanded as participants in the government of the State.

If they were all to be published in the report of the deliberations, they would have the book filled up with treatises on "nigger-ology;" which he wished to have excluded from it.

Messrs. NASH and SMITH of Warren remarked that there was no necessity for adopting the resolution, as it was well understood that the memorials themselves should not go on the journal, only the reference and the name of the committee to whom referred.

Mr. LEADBETTER said he would withdraw his resolution, with the express understanding, however, that no memorial, &c., &c., should be entered on the journal.

Mr. HOOTMAN, from the Committee to whom was referred a resolution relating to the appointment of four messengers, reported back the resolution with the recommendation "that the Sergeant-at-Arms have the power to appoint."

Mr. LIDEY was opposed to the appointment of messengers. If members were too lazy to carry up their little papers to the Secretary's desk let them sit still. He thought it unjust to the community to throw away their funds in that way.

Mr. HOLMES concurred in the report of the committee. As to what the last speaker said as to economy he went with him. But there was an economy, called the "small potatoe economy"-an economy "saving at the spigot and losing at the bung-hole." The amount required for the payment of those boys would be small, and if they had no expenditure more unreasonable than that of paying a few boys to attend to the business of the hall, they would get along very well.

Mr, STANTON moved that the resolution and recommendation of the committee be referred back with a view to be amended.

APPOINTMENT OF A REPORTER. Mr. SAWYER offered for consideration the following:

Resolved, That J. V. Smith be, and he is hereby, appointed Reporter to this Convention."

The gentleman from Miami, (Mr. DORSEY,) this morning, was in favor of giving them newspapers, to which he was opposed, but now when the Convention is asked to give them information of a nature the most important, Mr. S. said: Although the proposition might be conhe would not concede it. In regard to the question of sidered superfluous, he had offered it becouse he concost, referred to by the gentleman from Erie, (Mr. TAY-sidered the Convention quite as well qualified to apLOR,) he would say, that the cost of setting German type was not greater than that of English. It was said to be greater, but there being so many German compositors now in the country, he thought it could be done as cheap as English composition. He was not discussing the general merits of the resolution, but merely the question of whether or not this Convention would impart information to all, or to a part of the people, as contemplated by the amendment of the gentleman from Miami.

Mr. FORBES remarked that the question was one of reference, and did not touch the merits of the resolution.

Mr. DORSEY did not see the absurdity of his propositions. The gentleman himself would admit that there was not so much absurdity in what he had said, when he himself (Mr. REEMELIN) had admitted that he Germans were desirous of learning the English language.

After some further discussion and remarks, the question on the reference of the resolution and amendment was put and carried.

Mr. LEADBETTER said the subject which was under consideration had brought a matter to his mind, in relation to which he would offer the following:

"Resolved, That in presenting memorials and petitions, the Secretary shall only enter upon the journal, or record of the proceedings, the fact of presentation and the object thereof. Mr. L. said that he had discovered by looking at the

point their own Reporter as the Legislature were to appoint one for them. He had no objection to the gentleman selected by the Legislature; but still he desired the Convention to make their own selection. He was no more willing that the Legislature should select a Reporter to the Convention than he would be willing for them to select the Secretaries, Sergeant-at-Arms or Doorkeeper of the Convention. He repeated that he had not the slightest objection to the Reporter selected by the Legislature. He only desired to re-affirm Mr. Smith's appointment.

Mr. STANTON said, as the whole subject of reporting was now in the hands of a committee, which would report at an early day, he moved that the resolution be referred to the same committee.

After some further conversation, in which Mr. STANTON, Mr. BENNETT and Mr. SAWYER participated, Mr. Stanton withdrew his motion.

Mr. HAWKINS said he would rather the phraseology of the resolution was somewhat changed. He would rather simply concur in the appointment of the Legislature.

Mr. SAWYER interrupted, and said the appointment of the Legislature was the very thing to which he objected.

Mr. HAWKINS understood that to be the point of the objection. He understood the gentleman to be well satisfied with the appointment. But, for his part,

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