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to understand and control the chemicals and other substances so prevalent in our modern technological society.

(2) In the area of health service, underlying all of these important trends, both old and new, is a great problem of health manpower. We must act if we are to meet the foreseeable needs-for service, for research, and for teaching. I, personally, believe that these needs can only be met through substantial Federal assistance.

Mr. Chairman, this concludes my prepared statement.

I thank you and the members of the committee for your patience in listening to me.

Mr. ROBERTS. Thank you, Dr. Terry. I want to congratulate you on what I consider to be a very fine, full, and clear statement of the activities of the Public Health Service.

We are not going to have time to enter into the question-and-answer period at this session of the hearings.

I would like to give you an indication of where I would want you to prepare for the questioning period by having you look at charts A and B, and particularly B, where you break down the funds for the period 1945-63, and break down for us the grants and direct operations which you detail in chart B.

I would like you to be prepared to do that first tomorrow so that we will have a logical place to begin our questioning period.

I would also like to compliment you particularly on the way you have presented the activities of the Service. I make only one suggestion, which I hope you will be able to comply with for the benefit of the committee. I would like you to take your statement page by page and where you refer to certain activities I would like you to detail through the advice of your counsel on the margin of your statement the act of Congress under which you are proceeding, the authority that has been given you, simply by referring to the act, itself, and, of course, the public law designation. I think that will be a lot of help

to us.

Dr. TERRY. Thank you very much. I will be glad to do it.
Mr. ROBERTS. You understand what I am driving at.

Dr. TERRY. Yes, sir.

Mr. ROBERTS. I hope it will be conveniently possible to do so.

Dr. TERRY. Yes, sir.

Mr. ROBERTS. This will conclude the hearings for today and the committee will stand in recesss until tomorrow at the same time in the same hearing room.

Dr. TERRY. Thank you, sir.

(Whereupon, at 12 noon, the committee recessed, to reconvene on Wednesday, April 24, 1963, at 10 a.m.)

ORGANIZATION OF PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 24, 1963

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY

OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERSTATE AND FOREIGN COMMERCE,

Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met at 10 a.m., pursuant to recess, in the caucus room, Cannon Building, Hon. Kenneth Roberts (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mr. ROBERTS. The subcommittee will please be in order.

Dr. Terry, yesterday we were at the point of concluding your statement, and I had made two requests. I believe, if you will remember, one was trying to find a starting place, and I believe we selected charts A and B, particularly B. I made one other request that you supply the committee with some notations of public laws in your statement. So, we will start there today.

STATEMENT OF DR. LUTHER L. TERRY, SURGEON GENERAL; ACCOMPANIED BY DR. DAVID PRICE, DEPUTY SURGEON GENERAL; DR. JAMES M. HUNDLEY, ASSISTANT SURGEON GENERAL FOR OPERATIONS; ELTON WOOLPERT, ASSISTANT TO THE SURGEON GENERAL FOR LEGISLATION, PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, EDUCATION, AND WELFARE; DR. JAMES A. SHANNON, ASSISTANT SURGEON GENERAL, NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH; DR. ROBERT ANDERSON, CHIEF, BUREAU OF STATE SERVICES (ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH); AND JOSEPH S. MURTAUGH, CHIEF, OFFICE OF PROGRAM PLANNING, NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH

Dr. TERRY. Mr. Chairman, first with regard to a breakdown of the budgets, you have before you the large table headed "Public Health Service-1963, as appropriated, by purpose."

This presents in a manner in which we though you wished the various appropriation items. You will note that this is broken down, for instance, into two large headings, "Grants" and "Direct operations," and then under "Grants" there are columns on "Construction," "Research," "Fellowships," "Training," and "State."

Then under "Direct operations" the various columns show the specific approriation items or categories.

I realize this is only for 1963, Mr. Chairman, and does not illustrate any trend to the members of the committee. It is a portrayal of the present status.

If the committee would like to have it, we could do a similar thing for other years. Of course it might take sometime, but if it would be useful to the committee, we should be happy to do that.

(The table referred to is as follows:)

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