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As I say, the thing that impressed me when I became involved with the National Institutes of Health budgets was their size. I, like yourself and every other group which first looks at these programs, thought they were enormous until I began to examine individual components.

As you know, probably, I have spent the last 15 or 20 years deeply involved in research and development, primarily related to military and atomic energy matters. I have seen research and development budget breakdowns of this kind through the years for aircraft or radar or atomic weapons. I am used to seeing items of $200 or $300 or $400 million for very critical hardware; such as, a missile or an aircraft, and even a total of $10 or $20 or $30 million for a vital vacuum tube area is not at all unusual. So when you find a sum of money much smaller than that for research of a critical component in the human body, you get a different perspective than when you see the total summed up a single item.

I was so impressed with this fact, and with the wide range of things that they do, that I thought it was worth calling this particular perspective on the National Institutes of Health budget to your attention. While I don't want to try to defend the individual items, whether they are appropriate or too big or too small, I thought this view of it would be helpful to your group.

Mr. ROGERS of Florida. Yes.

Thank you, sir.

Without objection, it will be included in the record along with your

statement.

(The information referred to follows:)

National Cancer Institute, regular research projects and intramural research, by category, fiscal year 1963

Regular research project category:

Cancer causation___

Tumor growth.

Host-tumor relationship.

Epidemiology

Therapy--

In thousands $9,827 7, 469 2,436 990

15, 469

Basic research and all other including grants covering multiple fields. 11, 656
Program chemotherapy grants---.

4,362

Review and approval..

1,423

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National Institute of Neurological Diseases and Blindness, regular research projects and intramural research, by category, fiscal year 1963

Regular research project category:
Neurological disorders of childhood_.
Neurological disorders of aging-
Cerebrovascular disorders__.

Epilepsy and paroxysmal disorders_.
Schlerosing disorders_-

Neuromuscular disorders___.

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In thousands

$11, 536

2,282

2,387

2,700

2,230

2,825

231

1,499

7,623

3,682

1,022

1,273

5,223

759

1,225

915

47, 412

Total___

Intramural research category:

Program management_.

Medical neurology

Surgical neurology.

Ophthalmology-.

Electroencephal_

Neuroanatomical scs.

Neurophysiology-

Biophysics--

Neurochemistry.

Molecular biology.

Neuropathology.

General__.

Board of Scientific Counselors..

Publications and reports---

Subtotal____.

NIH management fund__

Total----

136

283

569

368

101

331

177

173

292

154

57

183

2

170

2,996

3,720

6. 716

National Institute of Mental Health regular research projects and intramural

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National Institute of Mental Health regular research projects and intramural research, by category, fiscal year 1963-Continued

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115

5, 769 4,321

10, 090

Neuropharmacological and clinical studies

Information activities____

Allocation to President's Panel on Narcotic Addiction___.
Allocation to St. Elizabeths Hospital___.

Subtotal..

NIH management fund_-

Total----

National Heart Institute regular research projects and intramural research, by

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National Institute of General Medical Sciences, regular research projects, by category, fiscal year 1963

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National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, regular research projects and intramural research, by category, fiscal year 1963

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National Institute of Arthritis and Metabolic Diseases, regular research projects and intramural research, by category, fiscal year 1963

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National Institute of Dental Research, regular research projects and intramural

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