Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Or in the bribing or corrupting of voters in the primary?

Mr. ŠACKET. Not a cent of it.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. I do not know whether you have fully explained about this item of "Sundries, $203.27." As I understand you, you have no present recollection of how you reached that sum of $203.27? Mr. SACKET. I have not; no, sir.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Have you any recollection as to whether or not it was the result of items that you had disbursed; or is your mind a complete blank as to how you reached that result?

Mr. SACKET. The item is made up of small items disbursed at that time.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Is it now your recollection that at that time you made the item of "Sundries, $203.27" as the result of the aggregate of other small items?

Mr. SACKET. Of other small items.

The CHAIRMAN. I suggest that you identify that item, so that the record will show what it is.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. On page 612, "Sundries, $203.27," in the list of items that aggregate $3,188.65.

As I understand it, you have no present recollection of the items that made up that aggregate?

Mr. SACKET. I have not.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. But do I understand that it is your recollection that at the time you reached the result of $203.27 as the aggregate of small items?

Mr. SACKET. I did; yes, sir.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. And that is all that you can remember about it? Mr. SACKET. That is all I remember at this time.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Are you prepared to say that that amount was correct, on the basis of your then computation?

Mr. SACKET. It was.

Senator POMERENE. Have not any of those bills or memoranda from which that was

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. I was just going to ask what became of those bills.

What became of the bills, or memoranda, or whatever you had as the basis of these disbursements on or about October 16?

Mr. SACKET. My recollection is that they were put into the box that was left with the joint committee at Madison. If they were not destroyed, that is where they went; and I am quite certain all of them were not destroyed, if any.

Senator POMERENE. How is that?

Mr. SACKET. If they were not destroyed, that is where they went; and I am quite certain all of them were not destroyed, if any.

Senator POMERENE. Why did you destroy all the rest and save these?

Mr. SACKET. These were October 16; and I did not destroy bills as a rule-itemized bills.

Senator POMERENE. Was it not pretty inconvenient to keep all those bills and cards?

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. I was just going to ask if any of these items were entered on cards?

Mr. SACKET. No, sir.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. You had got through with the accounts that you were keeping on the cards?

Mr. SACKET. I had no office, and I had to enter these items on a piece of paper in my pocket.

Senator SUTHERLAND. What was the date of the primary?

Mr. SACKET. September 1.

Senator SUTHERLAND. I notice a great many of these items bear date as having been paid out after that date. Were any of the bills for services rendered after September 1?

Mr. SACKET. None of them, unless it was the services of three young men that I employed in the office. I may have kept them for a few days, to straighten up the office-a stenographer or two.

Senator SUTHERLAND. For any service or anything done in connection with the general election, as distinguished from the primary? Mr. SACKET. No services of that nature after the primary, at all. Senator SUTHERLAND. None whatever?

Mr. SACKET. None whatever.

Senator SUTHERLAND. Not a dollar?
Mr. SACKETT. No, sir.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. I have an item here to inquire about the employment of Mr. Usher. Who employed Usher? State what you know about that.

Mr. SACKET. I made the arrangement with Mr. Usher, originally. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. State what that arrangement was.

Mr. SACKET. He was to look after the publicity part of the campaign. He was to receive compensation, the amount of which I do not recall at this time, and was to help us generally in the advertising end of it.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Did you ascertain who the organizer of Juneau County was? I think the committee wanted to know that.

Mr. SACKET. I do not remember now. If my attention could be called to the item, it is possible that I might remember.

Mr. BLACK. You were asked a day or two ago who that was. Do you remember now?

Mr. SACKET. No; I do not remember.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Will the chairman give me that reference to the Wisconsin statute in relation to managers?

The CHAIRMAN. I have not my copy at hand at this moment.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. I mean the reference to the Wisconsin statute which referred to managers, rather indicating that they are officials recognized by the law. I think your honor had it.

The CHAIRMAN. If counsel will just pass that by until I have my marked copy, I will refer to it.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Very well. I had it on my notes here.

Now, Mr. Sacket, have you revised the list of the items appearing in Exhibit 49, making up the aggregate of $46,052.29 which appear under the head of either "General expense, organizing," or "General, organizing," or "General"?

Mr. SACKET. Yes, sir. This is it, here.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Just give those items, please. I wish you to include all of the items that appear under that heading, even though they may have printed by their side the initials "E. A. E."

The CHAIRMAN. Will counsel indicate just what feature of the account it is now proposed to open up, stating the page?

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. It is a grouping, if your honor please, beginning on page 588, of items like "General organizing." The first item is "General expense, organizing, $100"; "General organizing

The CHAIRMAN. Is it the purpose of counsel to go over each of the items in that account again with this witness?

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. No; just to give the items and put them in an aggregate, so that we can have it in the record.

Senator POMERENE. Have you tabulated those items, now?
Mr. LITTLEFIELD. He has the tabulation right here.

The CHAIRMAN. Then that paper can go into the record without taking the time to go over it in detail now.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. You have prepared a revised list of the items appearing in Exhibit 49, which appear under the heading of either "General expense, organizing," or "Organizing," or "General"?

Mr. SACKET. I have. It is as follows:

July 6. General expense, organizing.....

18. General expense, Edmonds's check..
21. General expense..

23. General expense, E. A. E...

Aug. 8. General..

8. General..

10. General..

14. General, E. A. E.

18. General, E. A. E.

19. General (E. A. E., $200)..

21. General..

22. General..

26. General, E. A. E. ($200, $175, and $25).

27. General..

28. General (E. A. E., $15 and $20).

21. General (E. A. E., $200, and H. Bowman $20).

$100.00

150.00

250.00

200.00

250.00

150.00

150.00

25.00

100.00

300.00

227.08

300.00

400.00

75.00

50.00

220.00

2, 947. 08

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. They are the only items, are they not, in Exhibit 49, that was before the House committee, that would answer to the designation of general campaign expenses or "general"?

Mr. SACKET. Without other explanation, yes, sir.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. They are the only items in the account that would answer to that designation?

Mr. SACKET. Yes; without giving the names of the persons to whom the money was paid.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. The others give the names of the persons?
Mr. SACKET. Yes; and the numbers of the checks.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. They state in their report here that the amount was $12,000; and it turned out to be a little less than $3,000. They were only $9,000 out of the way.

I think that is all we have to ask Mr. Sacket.

The CHAIRMAN. The witness may be excused for the present, and will remain here in attendance. We will now call Mr. Kingsley.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Mr. Van Cleve, if your honor please, is here again, in response to the call of the committee. I do not know how much more you have to ask him, and I do not know whether you are in a position to finish with him and let him go. He is anxious to get back, if you can excuse him. He has the book here that you inquired about.

The CHAIRMAN. If Mr. Van Cleve has the book here, we will permit him to come forward.

TESTIMONY OF JOHN A. VAN CLEVE-Resumed.

The CHAIRMAN. What memorandum book is that?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. The memorandum book that I used during the campaign in Marinette County.

The CHAIRMAN. Does it contain your expenses during the campaign?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. $792?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. $792.75; and also a list of those checks that I sent to Mr. Puelicher, aggregating $52,500.

The CHAIRMAN. Let the committee have that book. [The book referred to was handed to the chairman.]

For

I find here quite a large number of payments of $5 to men_by name, without any indication of the purpose of the payment. instance, J. L. Gray, the 29th of August, what did you pay him $5 for?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. That was for services on election day, or on primary day.

The CHAIRMAN. What were the services?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. I think, if you will just let me show you on the book, that this is all explained here in the different precincts, for instance. This memorandum book here shows the men that were employed in the different precincts in Marinette County. Here is Amberg, first precinct. In that first precinct I employed John Wood.

The CHAIRMAN. What did you employ him to do?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. I employed him to get three or four teams on primary day, to have a man at the polls on primary day with the poll list, and to get out the vote.

The CHAIRMAN. I desire to turn back now, in this book: "F. E. Noyes." For what purpose did you pay him $200!

Mr. VAN CLEVE. That $200 was paid to him for editorial work on the Marinette Eagle.

The CHAIRMAN. I would like to know, going back to the item of $5, to which I called your attention, the purpose for which you paid $5 to these men on August 29.

Mr. VAN CLEVE. They were all employed for assisting in getting out the vote on primary day.

The CHAIRMAN. On September 2-that was election day, was it

not?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. I notice you paid on that day six men; five of them you paid $5 each and one of them $8.50. What was that for? Mr. VAN CLEVE. The $8.50, as I recollect it, was paid to Ralph Skidmore. I think that is explained under the township of Lake, right in the first part of the book there. He paid $5 to his stenographer for some work that he had done in his office during the campaign, and $3.50 for a team.

The CHAIRMAN. Let us pay some attention to the five men to whom you paid $5 each on election day. For what purpose was that?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. It was all paid for the same purpose. That is, either for running teams, or for assisting at the polls with the poll list, or something like that.

The CHAIRMAN. You have here, 1908, checks received from Isaac Stephenson and forwarded to J. H. Puelicher, June 28, Stephenson's National, $2,000; July 6, $10,000; August 20, $15,000; August 24, $10,000; August 31, $2,000; September 3, $13,000; making $52,500 which you sent to Mr. Puelicher?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Did you send that to Mr. Puelicher that he might use it on Senator Stephenson's behalf, for the purpose of promoting his nomination as United States Senator on the direct primary? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Had you ever talked with Mr. Puelicher before you sent any of that money, as to whether or not he intended to support Senator Stephenson?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Did he?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir; that is what the money was sent to him for.

The CHAIRMAN. This book will remain in evidence.

Senator SUTHERLAND. The entire expenditure that you made in Marinette County was $792, was it?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. It was $792.75.

Senator SUTHERLAND. That covered the entire county?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir; the entire county of Marinette; 23 precincts.

Senator SUTHERLAND. I was going to ask you how many precincts it included.

Mr. VAN CLEVE. Twenty-three.

Senator SUTHERLAND. Ábout what was the entire vote of the county?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. The entire vote was about 4,200, of which Mr. Stephenson got about 3,000.

Senator SUTHERLAND. Did you employ a man in each precinct on that day?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir.

Senator SUTHERLAND. More than one man?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir.

Senator SUTHERLAND. How many men in a precinct on the day of the primary election?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. The exact number is given in the list there. I think it was between 50 and 60 in the county.

Senator SUTHERLAND. Between 50 and 60 employed on the day? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir.

Senator SUTHERLAND. That would be an average of two or three men to a precinct?

Mr. VAN CLEVE. Of course a good many of those precincts are larger; that is, some of them took in three or four congressional townships, and we had to have teams and men to get out the vote. In some of them we had three or four teams; and men at the polls with the poll list, and all that kind of thing.