The CHAIRMAN. I think counsel is unnecessarily disturbed in the matter. There is no objection at all to counsel knowing it.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Mr. Edmonds, do you begin with Washington County?

Mr. EDMONDS. As I understood, that has been passed. That is one of the things I know about.

The CHAIRMAN. What about the next one?

Mr. EDMONDS. Sheboygan County, $300. The next item is Rock County, $100. The next item is A. R. Ames, $50. The next one is J. R. Jones, $350; T. F. Reynolds, $100. If the Senator will permit, I would like to explain that this is the Reynolds of Oconto County and not the man who was running for the assembly. T. J. Sexton, $42.46. C. E. Morley, Vernon County, $500. Then there are the different items paid to S. L. Perrin, and they figure up $3,000.

The CHAIRMAN. That $3,000 is in addition to the item paid to Perrin of $1,000, to be found on page 582, making $4,000 in all?

Mr. EDMONDS. That is not my recollection of the amount, but that is what it figures here, according to this statement. W. C. Bratz, $43.80.

The CHAIRMAN. Is that the same man whose name appears next to the first item on the page as Batz?

Mr. EDMONDS. That word is not spelled correctly.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. It should be Bratz?

Mr. EDMONDS. Bratz. B. O. Larson, 55; U. C. Kellar, $50. The next item is $375 for Trempealeau County.

The CHAIRMAN. That is a payment to yourself?

Mr. EDMONDS. I do not know why that is made out in that way. I know that the money was paid over. I can not think of the man's name. I may be able to recall that later. I will think that up later. The next two items, $45 and $100, are general amounts paid to me. W. O. Roberts, Waukesha County, $150. Ashland County, $400. Price and Taylor Counties, $500. Sheboygan County, $76.50. Rusk County, $250. The next item is marked "Dunn County," but E. F. Scherbel lived in Dane County. He perhaps did work in Dunn County. I am not positive. That item is $95.74. Walworth and Kenosha, $800.

The CHAIRMAN. You have passed over the item of $50?

Mr. EDMONDS. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You do not know anything about that.

Senator POMERENE. "Walworth & Kenosha "; what was the amount?

Mr. EDMONDS. $800. Chippewa & Clark, $350

The CHAIRMAN. That is "Ring" instead of "Bing "?

Mr. EDMONDS. "Ring," yes. The third item, it says, "E. A. E., $200." The total item is "$300." I do not know what the other $100 is. H. H. Morgan, $226; C. H. Russell, $350; Hugh Lewis, $160. The next item, of $250, J. T. Hanson, I can not recall; and the third item from there as well, $150, the same man.

Senator POMERENE. Is what?

Mr. EDMONDS. The same man, $150.

The CHAIRMAN. You can not recall that?

Mr. EDMONDS. No, sir. I may have made arrangements with him, but I do not recall.

The CHAIRMAN. Who is he?

Mr. EDMONDS. I do not know. I can not place him. G. W. Dart, $400; D. Atwood, $50; J. H. Franke, $140..

The CHAIRMAN. That is the doctor, is it?
Mr. EDMONDS. That is the doctor; yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. That item is divided, "$125," then it is raised to "$140." How do you account for that?

Mr. EDMONDS. I can not account for that.

The CHAIRMAN. We will ask Mr. Sacket.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Which is correct; or, do you not know?

Mr. EDMONDS. I do not know. P. Dormady, $50; M. J. Funielle, $100; F. W. Dangers, $50; W. C. Bratz, $21.56.

The CHAIRMAN. Is that " Batz "; that is, the

Mr. EDMONDS. Same name; yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Batz," on the former page.
Mr. EDMONDS. Harry Bowman, $150.
R. S. Cowie, $150.

The CHAIRMAN. That you know about?

I do not recall that item.

Mr. EDMONDS. Yes, sir. J. W. Howey, $50; R. A. Etter, $100; George Gordon, $200; C. E. Brady, $500; J. H. Wells, $200; P. F. Doland, instead of "F. F. Dolan," $400; W. C. Bratz, $100; A. O. Heyer, $300.

The CHAIRMAN. You have passed over "Stevens." I suppose you do not know him?

Mr. EDMONDS. Yes; those two I do not recall. Ozaukee County, $200. That was money paid, I am very certain, to C. O. Larsen, the manager up in that locality. I do not recall the next item. C. C. Wayland, $500; L. A. Calkins, $300.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. That is the same name we had earlier, in connection with Brown County?

Mr. EDMONDS. Brown County was stated first, and this is the man I referred to.

The CHAIRMAN. That is the item you referred to in the item the third from the bottom of page 590, is it?

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. August 12, page 590.

The CHAIRMAN. Brown County, August 12-is that the man?
Mr. EDMONDS. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. L. A. Calkins?

Mr. EDMONDS. Yes, sir; F. H. Eppling, $200. This item of $250; there is nothing there to tell me to whom that was paid.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. What do you mean, what item-Fond du Lac County?

Mr. EDMONDS. Fond du Lac County.

The CHAIRMAN. You do not know about the "General" item? Mr. EDMONDS. No, sir. And the Fond du Lac County, $250, while this does not guide me in determining who it was, I think the amounts paid for organizing that county were paid to one man whose name is mentioned below, Mr. Morse.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Under "August 27," "R. L. Morse," is that it? Mr. EDMONDS. Yes, sir. The next two items I do not recall. D. Atwood, $100; W. C. Bratz, $43.50. This item of $400 under "General," I assume, is money paid to me.

The CHAIRMAN. Those three items there together, "General, E. A. E." That is you, is it—" $200 ”

Mr. EDMONDS. The only means I have of knowing is thisThe CHAIRMAN. And the "$175," and then the "$25," making a total of $400?

Mr. EDMONDS. Whether that is all mine or part "General" and part mine I do not know now, I have no means of knowing now. The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Sacket knows?

Mr. EDMONDS. I should presume so. George Gordon. $300; L. W. Thayer, $600; H. H. Smith, $100; William Haslem, $125; “G. E. Doe," should be "G. E. Dee." $300.

The CHAIRMAN. Is that a real name?
Mr. EDMONDS. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. That is spelled like
Mr. EDMONDS. It should be "Dee."
Mr. LITTLEFIELD. "Doe" is wrong.
pseudonymn of the law.

a fictitious name.

It is improperly spelled.
"Dee" is the name. Not our

Mr. EDMONDS. U. C. Keller, $150; R. E. Orton, $300; Max Sells, $25. The CHAIRMAN. Did you mention the other two?

Mr. EDMONDS. Yes, sir; U. C. Keller and R. E. Orton.

The CHAIRMAN. You know about those?

Mr. EDMONDS. Yes. James Smith, $100. R. L. Morse, $450.

The CHAIRMAN. There is a discrepancy there. The "City of Fond du Lac," giving the number of the draft to Morse, “$250” was carried out "$450."

Mr. EDMONDS. Yes, sir. Now I do not know which of those is correct; I have no means of knowing.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you know anything about the item?

Mr. EDMONDS. No.

Mr. EDMONDS. No, sir; I only know that Mr. Morse was our manager in that locality. City of Oconto, $100, Mr. Beyer.

Senator POMERENE. To whom was that paid?

Mr. EDMONDS. The name here is "B. Beyer," but it is George E. Bever.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. It should be "George E." instead of "B."
Mr. EDMONDS. Yes; $50, Wagner & Jennings.

Senator POMERENE. Is that the name of a firm?

Mr. EDMONDS. Yes, sir; distributing and hanging posters; I made an agreement to pay. This name, "D. G. Sampson, $100, Ashland," I can not recall that, though I have not any doubt that I made the arrangement. C. E. Brady, $200; A. R. Ames, $50; C. O. Larson, $50. The CHAIRMAN. That is the item that we have considered in connection with an earlier item?

Mr. EDMONDS. Yes, sir. I do not remember the particular item of $200 to Rasmussen Publishing Co., but I know we paid at different times. I presume Mr. Sacket can explain it more fully.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. What about this item, "City of Ashland, E. A. E., L. F. Johnstad, $100"? Do you know anything about that?

Mr. EDMONDS. I can not recall that name. I have no reason to suppose I did not make the arrangement, but I do not recall it now. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. "Johnstad" is an extraordinary name.

Mr. EDMONDS. There are a good many extraordinary names to me. These items of "General" expense, two items, $15 and $20, are carried out $50; that says "E. A. E." I presume it is charged to me, though. I do not know why the difference.

The CHAIRMAN. To which item are you now referring?

Mr. EDMONDS. That item of "General (E. A. E. $15 and $20),” carried out "$50."

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. That is $35 and the total is "$50." Do you know anything about that?

Mr. EDMONDS. No, sir.

Senator SUTHERLAND. Does that mean that the entire item under the head of "General" is $50, out of which "E. A. E." received $15 and $20!

Mr. EDMONDS. That would appear to me to be a reasonable supposition, but I do not know.

Senator SUTHERLAND, I notice other items of that same character. Mr. EDMONDS. An item of $15, A. W. Barber. Jefferson County, $200.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Who is your man there; do you remember?
Mr. EDMONDS. George Kispert. J. H. Wells, $200.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. What is this "J. H. Frank"? Have you passed that?

Mr. EDMONDS. No, sir.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Do you know anything about that "J. H. Frank"?

Mr. EDMONDS. Yes, sir.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. You have passed it, have you not?

Mr. EDMONDS. No, sir; I did not intentionally pass it.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Well, you did pass it. You do not know anything about it?

The CHAIRMAN. It is obvious that the examination of this witness can not be concluded this evening. A member of the committee desires to examine him further, and as we yet have several pages of this matter, I think we had better take our regular adjournment, as the time has now arrived, until to-morrow morning at 10 o'clock.

Senator SUTHERLAND. Let me suggest that it will hurry this proceeding along, and we will reach exactly the same result, if Mr. Edmonds-if he can do it conveniently-will simply bring in a memorandum

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Draw up a list?

Senator SUTHERLAND. A list of the items.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Take it in the order in which it appears here and just submit a list in answer to one question; would you like it that way!

Senator SUTHERLAND. Yes; that can go into the record, and he can furnish us a copy of it, and we can make such cross-examination concerning any items as we please.

The CHAIRMAN. The list will be of the items that come within the statement of the witness, that the facts are the same as to the items about which he has been particularly examined.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. Before taking adjournment I desire to swear the witnesses that were subpoenaed for to-day-D. E. Riordan, L. B. Dresser, and George Gordon.

(The sergeant at arms called the names of Mr. Riordan, Mr. Dresser, and Mr. Gordon, as indicated by the chairman, and Mr. Dresser and Mr. Riordan responded to their names and were sworn by the chairman.)

The CHAIRMAN. You will be excused until to-morrow morning. Be in attendance to-morrow morning. Mr. Gordon is required to present himself. The sergeant at arms will make proper inquiry as to why Mr. Gordon is not present and instruct him to be present to-morrow morning.

(To Mr. Edmonds:) Of course, you will be here in the morning? Mr. EDMONDS. Yes.

(At 4 o'clock and 34 minutes p. m. the subcommittee adjourned until to-morrow, Thursday, October 5, 1911, at 10 o'clock a. m.)

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 5, 1911.

FEDERAL BUILDING,
Milwaukee, Wis.

The subcommittee met at 10 o'clock a. m. Present: Senators Heyburn (chairman), Sutherland, and Pomerene. Present also: Mr. C. E. Littlefield, Mr. W. E. Black, and Mr. H. H. J. Upham, counsel for Senator Isaac Stephenson.

The CHAIRMAN. Is George Gordon present this morning?

(The secretary called the name of Mr. Gordon, and he failed to respond. The names of Mr. J. W. Stone and Mr. J. J. McGillivray were called, and they responded to their names, and the oath was administered to them by the chairman.)

TESTIMONY OF E. A. EDMONDS-Resumed.

Mr. Edmonds produced a list of items afterwards marked " Exhibit Edmonds A."

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Edmonds, give me the page of the printed testimony in the State investigation on which the first item in your list appears.

Mr. EDMONDS. Page 594. I think it was the next one.

The CHAIRMAN. That is the item of J. H. Frank, $100!
Mr. EDMONDS. Yes.

The CHAIRMAN. That is the first one on that page of which you have personal knowledge?

Mr. EDMONDS. No, sir; the first one following those we mentioned yesterday in the testimony.

The CHAIRMAN. Give us that item. Which was the last item yesterday of which you testified that you had personal knowledge? Mr. EDMONDS. The $15, just above; the second item above.

The CHAIRMAN. A. W. Barber?

Mr. EDMONDS. Yes.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. I may be wrong, Mr. Chairman, but I have checked up Jefferson County, George Kispert, $200. I think the witness must have testified to that, otherwise I would not have checked it on my notes.

Senator POMERENE. The $15 is the last item.

Mr. LITTLEFIELD. My recollection, Mr. Edmonds, is that you testified that you did not have any knowledge of the Jefferson County item.

Senator POMERENE. I would correct that statement. He did give Jefferson County, George Kispert, $200.