was acceptable to GSA, since Rosenfield is an architectural firm with offices in New York and Puerto Rico. Perez-Channis is located in Puerto Rico. Such negotiation was held, and Rosenfield, et al., stipulated a unit cost for the facility twice as high as that estimated in the POR to be the prevailing cost in Puerto Rico. The negotiation was terminated to study the situation further. Further study indicated the POR estimates to be low, but not so low as indicated by Rosenfield, et al. Appropriate revised estimates were accepted at the time the NICHD entered the program, and additional funds were made available by appropriation in fiscal year 1966 on the basis of the new estimates. The GSA has stated the position that the Government is ethically bound to reopen negotiations with the firm of Rosenfield, et al., and to allow them to take a position as to whether they feel they can design the desired facility to fit the funds available under the revised estimates. Should they still indicate they are unable to do so, GSA will feel free to remove them from further consideration and to select a new architect-engineering firm. A tentative timetable, should the firm of Rosenfield, et al., be selected, indicates that it will take approximately a year and a half to design the facility and another and a half to construct it, with completion anticipated in the spring of 1969. Mr. FOGARTY. Will you have sufficient funds for the facility? SABANA SECA Dr. MIDER. We have proposed $200,000 be used to develop the Sabana Seca area which would reduce the net square footage in the building at the center. A substantial amount of this was for animal holding and production, but we will gain a much greater capability at Sabana Seca at substantially reduced cost of operation. Mr. FOGARTY. Where is that place? Dr. STEWART. Sabana Seca ? Mr. FOGARTY. Yes. Dr. STEWART. It would be west, toward San Juan. There is a Navy base out there. We flew over it coming in. Mr. FLOOD. Near Roosevelt Field? Dr. MIDER. No. It is right near San Juan. Mr. FOGARTY. Thirty to forty miles west of San Juan? Dr. STEWART. I don't think it is quite that far, perhaps closer to 18 to 20. REPAIRS AT CDC IN ATLANTA Mr. FOGARTY. I notice you have $453,000 for repairs and improvements for CDC at Atlanta. You also need some additional construction for which there is no request; is that right? Dr. STEWART. That is correct. Mr. FOGARTY. Tell us what the situation is and what the problems are. Dr. STEWART. CDC feels they are cramped for space and will have greater space requirements. When we looked into this a substantial portion of the space requirement was for things that CDC does for other programs. We wanted to take a look at this. Mr. FOGARTY. You are in four or five places down there? Dr. STEWART. That is right. Mr. FOGARTY. We thought when we built that new building a few years ago it would answer all the problems. Dr. STEWART. If the program had stayed static I think it would have. Mr. FOGARTY. Even had it stayed static there would not have been sufficient space. Those who planned it and Congress were both at fault. STILL PICTURE COLLECTION BALCONY ROOM Among several other things the request is for an addition of a "still picture collection room balcony." A still picture collection room balcony. What is that? Dr. STEWART. I don't know. We will have to provide that information for the record. (The information requested follows:) A subbasement storage room at CDC has been converted to a medical still picture storage library. In order to make maximum utilization of the cubic footage available for the still picture library, it is proposed to construct a balcony 10 feet deep across one wall of the room. This will increase the storage space by 296 square feet. Estimated cost per square foot is $20. SOLID WASTE RESEARCH FACILITY Mr. FOGARTY. With regard to the solid waste research facility you are requesting $395,000 for equipment. Dr. STEWART. That is right. Mr. FOGARTY. You say you are negotiating with Johnson City, Tenn. What are these negotiations? I thought by this time this would have been completed. Mr. FLOOD. That is because of TVA? Dr. STEWART. Negotiated between TVA and Johnson City. I believe negotiations are completed and we are ready to go. Mr. FOGARTY. Can you supply information on that for the record? (The information requested follows:) SOLID WASTE RESEARCH FACILITY, JOHNSON CITY, TENN. The cooperative agreement between the Public Health Service, the Tennessee Valley Authority, and Johnson City, Tenn., was signed on February 15, 1966. This research facility is a pilot plant for evaluating the combined composting of solid waste and raw sewage sludge. It will enable research to be conducted on the health aspects and the economic feasibility of such an operation with regard to the overall benefits that can accrue to municipalities and industries. The funds requested for fiscal year 1967 are necessary to complete the constructing and equipping of the facility. ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH FACILITY IN CINCINNATI Mr. FOGARTY. Tell us about the environmental health facility at Cincinnati for which you are requesting $1,285,000. Dr. STEWART. As you know, Mr. Fogarty, at the present time we have personnel in nine separate buildings outside of the permanent Robert A. Taft Center down there. This is a proposal to pull them together into a good research facility, mainly to carry out three research programs. The occupational health research program that is now going on out there at one location, the air pollution research program, and added into this will be a direct operational research program for the solid waste disposal program. Mr. FLOOD. What is there peculiar with this problem in this area? Dr. STEWART. Nothing. The environmental health research activities started in Cincinnati in about 1935, mainly around water pollu tion. The Robert A. Taft Sanitary Engineering Center was developed Mr. FLOOD. Yes, I recall now. I think in that sentence you have given me the reason. Mr. FOGARTY. Are you going to have to buy the land out there? Dr. STEWART. No, there are 20 acres of land which the city is giving us. Mr. FOGARTY. What will you do with the main building? Dr. STEWART. It will go with the water pollution control authority. Mr. FOGARTY. And the city will give you what? Dr. STEWART. Twenty acres of land. Mr. FOGARTY. This $1,285,000 is all you requested? Dr. STEWART. Yes, sir. That is for planning. Mr. FOGARTY. That is for planning only? Dr. STEWART. Yes, sir. Mr. FOGARTY. That looks much more reasonable, then. What is the total cost of the building estimated to be? Dr. STEWART. $20 to $21 million. Mr. FOGARTY. Are you satisfied this will be large enough? Dr. STEWART. Yes, sir. Mr. FOGARTY. You won't come back 2 or 3 years from now? Dr. STEWART. I am satisfied it will meet the current requirement but I am not saying we will not be back. Mr. CARDWELL. With all of the effort everybody has put into developing buildings for PHS and the Department, I don't think we have built one yet that is large enough. Do you? Mr. FOGARTY. That is what I say. you think you will need? Why don't you plan on what Mr. CARDWELL. It is an extremely difficult thing to do, to look ahead and get everyone to agree that in the days ahead there will be the demand. We tend to have a short-range view of facilities. APPALACHIA ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH FIELD STATION Mr. FOGARTY. You are also requesting $330,000 to design the Ap. palachia Environmental Health Field Station. Dr. STEWART. That is right. Mr. FOGARTY. What will the total cost be? Dr. STEWART. About $5 to $6 million; $330,000 is for planning. It is about a $6 million installation. Mr. FLOOD. What is special about Morgantown? Is it an easy name to spell? Appalachia covers 13 States. Dr. STEWART. We intend to do two things which are indigenous in the area. Mr. FLOOD. Why Morgantown? Mr. FOGARTY. Off the record. (Discussion held off the record.) Mr. FOGARTY. Other regions have peculiar problems, too. Are you going to have other regional facilities, such as Wilkes Barre, Pa.? Dr. STEWART. We have no plan at the moment. Mr. FLOOD. I thought not. Mr. FOGARTY. What will the relationship be between this facility, the one in Cincinnati, and the national center in North Carolina? Dr. STEWART. It will relate more to the Cincinnati operation than it will to the North Carolina one, but there will be relationship in both. What we intend to do with the Morgantown facility is to study chronic respiratory problems, particularly as they relate to the mining field. Mr. FLOOD. I have an air-pollution problem, I am in the anthracite coalfields, and I have all of these problems that the other areas have. Mr. FOGARTY. You have more. Mr. FLOOD. The next time you are going to give birth to a field facility call me up, will you? Dr. STEWART. It covers an extensive geographic area. Mr. FLOOD. The next time you feel birth pangs coming on, like Metropolitan Morgantown, W. Va., call me up, will you, or Fogarty? Dr. STEWART. All right." Mr. CARDWELL. This project is to be associated with the University of West Virginia insofar as site location is concerned. Mr. FOGARTY. That had relatively little to do with selecting the site. Mr. FLOOD. A good try. MODERNIZATION OF PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE HOSPITALS Mr. FOGARTY. The largest item is $5,021,000 for modernization of the Public Health Service hospitals. Dr. STEWART. That is right. Mr. FOGARTY. The total program is estimated to cost $69,096,000. How much would it cost to completely replace the hospitals involved, just tear them down and build new ones? Dr. STEWART. I will have to supply that figure. (The information requested follows:) Computed on the same basis as the preliminary modernization cost, it would require $112 million to replace all of the hospitals instead of modernizing them. This does not include possible additional land acquisition, demolition, or site preparation costs or projected construction cost increases of 3 percent a year for the 4 years it would take to construct the buildings. HOSPITALS IN SAVANNAH AND DETROIT Mr. FOGARTY. The justifications say the request contains no funds for Savannah or Detroit because the final decision regarding keeping these hospitals in operation has not been made. Dr. STEWART. That is correct. Mr. FOGARTY. You are still playing around with that? Dr. STEWART. There was a separate study ordered on the Detroit and Savannah operation. It has been done and the final recommendations have not been made. Mr. FOGARTY. It sounds as if somebody is holding the thing up. Is that right? Dr. STEWART. I don't think it is holding anything up but a matter of the mechanics of getting a decision made. Mr. FOGARTY. You will not wait until Congress adjourns to announce your decision; will you? Mr. FLOOD. It might be a good idea. Dr. STEWART. We made our recommendation to the Department. Mr. CARDWELL. The Surgeon General's Office has made its recommendations. They made them quite clear. The Department has these recommendations along with the report under consideration and has had some preliminary discussions thus far with the Bureau of the Budget. How long it will be before a final decision is made I cannot say, but I would hope we would do it well in advance of the adjournment of Congress. Mr. FLOOD. Have chambers of commerce been properly notified through channels? Mr. CARDWELL. At this point I would not know. MASTER PLAN FOR PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE FACILITIES Mr. FOGARTY. You are requesting $125,000 to begin development of a master plan for Public Health Service facilities. Tell us what you have in mind, how long it will take, and what the total cost will be. Dr. STEWART. What we have in mind is that at the present time we have no plan. We are trying to relate what kinds of facilities we might anticipate 2 or 3 years from now, a development process. Each program now develops its own plans. While they do it for their program, there is no plan that relates the requirements of one program to those of another. All the facilities planning in the Public Health Service amounts to a fair sum and a number of projects scattered around. In addition, as I pointed out this morning, we have bureaus in Virginia, bureaus in Silver Spring, the Surgeon General at NIHMr. FOGARTY. I think it is a mess. Mr. STEWART. I think we need to get a plan that we can take off from, anyway, and keep up to date. Mr. FLOOD. You need a plan against any more planning. Dr. STEWART. I don't think so. I think if you took any industry, if it were a large industry and were planning where it put plants, it would have some kind of master plan where it is trying to get some order and some idea. It doesn't mean you have to stick with a plan but at least you have something you can modify. We have not collected the data, ideas, program proposals, what they are thinking about. This is what the contract would be for, to try to get it pulled together. It will cost us $125,000. Mr. FOGARTY. You have to start somewhere. Right now you are in a mess. Dr. STEWART. I would agree. Mr. FOGARTY. Your going out to NIH will make it worse. DR. ROBERT ANDERSON Before I stop, I notice Dr. Anderson is back on the job. Mr. FOGARTY. He has gone through a lot of surgery and we are real happy that he has recovered and can be back with us again. Mr. FLOOD. You are the healthiest looking man in the room. |