Mr. Bow. It was written in January, but I did not refer to the Congressman. The second paragraph of the copy of the letter says:

Cuba receives a small amount of aid from the United Nations programs as explained below to which the United States contributes. The funds to finance the programs concerned are contributed by many countries, including Cuba, besides the United States.

That is a misleading statement. Cuba is supposed to contribute but does not. It seems to me that is a misleading statement to that Members of Congress. If you have not sent the letter, I think you should change it.

That is all.

TOTAL AMOUNT SPENT FOR MALARIA ERADICATION PROGRAM

Mr. ROONEY. In the colloquy with Mr. Lipscomb, Mr. Secretary, I understood you to say the total amount spent for the malaria eradication program has been $16 million. Did you say that?

Mr. CLEVELAND. $16,468,000.

Mr. ROONEY. And what was that money expended for?

Mr. CLEVELAND. That is the total expenditure under the World Health Organization for the malaria eradication program from 1957 through 1961.

Mr. ROONEY. I understood Mr. Lipscomb was asking you the total spent by the United States on the malaria eradication program? Mr. CLEVELAND. This is the total amount.

Mr. ROONEY. Why, in 1 year under the foreign aid appropriations bill there was appropriated some $30 million.

Mr. CLEVELAND. The question had to do with the amount under the World Health Organization for the malaria eradication program. Mr. ROONEY. No, not at all.

U.S. PERSONNEL LOANED TO ORGANIZATION FOR ECONOMIC COOPERATION AND DEVELOPMENT

At page 146 of these justifications we find an item in connection with the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a requested $385,000 to supply 20 U.S. national employees to Paris. Is that right?

Mr. CLEVELAND. Yes, sir.

Mr. ROONEY. According to page 145 of these justifications, after the taxpayer expends $385,000 to send these 20 employees to work for the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the U.S. taxpayer is credited wtih only the sum of $80,000. Is that right? Mr. CLEVELAND. That is for a previous year: yes, sir. Mr. ROONEY. There was not any previous year, was there? Mr. TYLER. May I address myself to that question?

I am William R. Tyler, Deputy Assistant Secretary for European Affairs.

Mr. ROONEY. Yes, Mr. Tyler.

Mr. TYLER. Mr. Chairman, the sum of $80,000 relates to the U.S. personnel loaned to the Organization.

Mr. ROONEY. And is not that exactly what the $385,000 is for?

Mr. TYLER. Yes, but that $80,000 refers to 1962 and it is expected that the number of personnel loaned will be increased to about 20 in 1963.

Mr. ROONEY. Well, Mr. Tyler, according to page 146 of these justifications the amount of money obligated or spent in 1962 is zero dollars. Are you telling us that this is incorrect?

Mr. TYLER. Before the first budget of the Organization was submitted we already had personnel working for the Organization on a loan basis. The Organization only came into being in September, September 30, 1961, but we had personnel working during 1961 on a loan basis.

Mr. ROONEY. What credit do we get for them?

Mr. TYLER. That is approximately $80,000, I believe.

Mr. ROONEY. How much money was expended for these employees from last September to the end of the current fiscal year?

Mr. TYLER. The estimate is $141,815 on an annual basis, Mr. Chairman.

I wish to withdraw that statement, Mr. Chairman. This figure of $141,815 is an actual figure and not on an annual basis.

Mr. ROONEY. And this is for how many people?

Mr. TYLER. Ten people.

Mr. ROONEY. You want to double the staff in 1963, is that right? Mr. TYLER. We believe it would be in our interest to increase the number of Americans loaned to the Organization.

Mr. ROONEY. Let us see if it would. If you are expending $141,815 in 1962, why do you get a credit for only $80,000 ?

Mr. TYLER. This difference is due to the discrepancy between the OECD salary scale and the salary scale of the U.S. Government. Mr. ROONEY. Are you telling us you could hire people to do the same job in Paris for $80,000 for which you are spending $141,815? That is about it, is it not?

Mr. TYLER. I do not think so. We think it is of real importance

to us

Mr. ROONEY. I did not ask that.

Mr. TYLER. We do not think they could do the same job because they are not U.S. nationals and we would like to exert influence in the OECD which is commensurate with our stake in it.

Mr. ROONEY. Why have you not insisted we get $141,815 in credits, which is the amount of dollars we are spending?

Mr. TYLER. The OECD, I believe, reimburses on the basis of what it would pay to try to get personnel according to the OECD scale. Mr. ROONEY. What, if anything, have you done in regard to getting $141,815 in credits? Why should we not get credit for the exact number of dollars we are spending?

Mr. CUMMINS. Sir, the $80,000 represents the OECD salary scales for the jobs that would be filled by these Americans.

Mr. ROONEY. In order to have Americans do we have to pay them those wages?

Mr. CUMMINS. You might say we were paying them a little subsidy. Mr. ROONEY. How many of these subsidy items are in this budget? We had one in NATO.

Mr. CUMMINS. NATO, OECD, and SEATO.

AMERICANS ON STAFF OF SEATO IN THAILAND

Mr. ROONEY. It would appear in regard to SEATO, as shown on page 143 of these justifications, $120,710 was expended to pay for how many Americans on the staff of SEATO in Thailand?

Mr. CUMMINS. Four in 1961.

Mr. ROONEY. Four people, $120,000?

Mr. CUMMIN. Yes, sir. My recollection is that there was a considerable amount of travel at that stage.

Mr. ROONEY. It appears they are all chiefs and no Indians.

Mr. CUMMINS. They are all chiefs, Mr. Chairman. We felt it was important to have the best qualified people for the highest caliber posts.

Mr. ROONEY. And after expending $120,710 of funds in the 1961 budget you got credit for only $28,062. Is that right?

Mr. CUMMINS. I think the proper figure would be $33,192. The credits come in a year later because they are based on the actual situation in the year before, rather than coming in the same year.

Mr. ROONEY. That concludes the item entitled "Contributions to international organizations."

MONDAY, MARCH 12, 1962.

INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCES AND CONTINGENCIES

WITNESSES

HARLAN CLEVELAND, ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION AFFAIRS

RICHARD S. WHEELER, ACTING DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCES, DEPARTMENT OF STATE

ROBERT A. DEITCHMAN, BUDGET OFFICER, OFFICE OF INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCES, DEPARTMENT OF STATE

Mr. ROONEY. The next item is to be found at page 33 of the committee print and is entitled "International conferences and contingencies." The details with regard thereto begin at page 187 of the justification book.

We shall at this point insert in the record pages 187 through 195 of the justifications.

(The pages follow:)

Summary of requirements, fiscal year 1963-International conferences and
contingencies, State

Appropriation, 1962 regular act and base for 1963..
Net difference between 1962 and 1963:

$1,943,000

An increase in the limitation for representation allowances from $75,000 to $100,000 is requested to provide adequate support for the U.S. delegations to additional conferences to be held during the year. These conferences will include the U.N. Conference on the Application of Science and Technology for the Benefit of Less Developed Areas, and two conferences to be held in Washington, D.C., with the United States as host, the North Pacific Fur Seal Commission, and the Pan American Highway Congress.

BUREAU OF INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION AFFAIRS-INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCES AND CONTINGENCIES

This appropriation provides funds to the Secretary of State for the purpose of financing U.S. participation in (1) meetings of the United Nations and its specialized agencies; (2) meetings of other international organizations which

include Inter-American meetings, meetings of commodity groups, economic, political and cultural meetings, technical and scientific meetings, meetings of the OECD, GATT, the South Pacific Commission, CENTO, SEATO, and meetings of other international organizations in fields of activities which are of importance to the national interest; (3) other international conferences not associated with international organizations; and (4) contributions to new or provisional international organizations for the U.S. proportionate share of the expenses of the organizations' central secretariats.

The United States now participates in an average of 385 conferences per year as contrasted with 265 per year during the period 1946-55, while for the 20-year period from 1926 to 1946 the average was 41. In nearly every field of international activity-political, economic, welfare, social, cultural, scientific, technical, labor, education, etc.-this Government has participated actively and constructively in the formulation of final acts, agreements, conventions, or treaties. This appropriation enables the Government to exercise leadership and act quickly and decisively in advancing and protecting the interests of the United States in these multilateral activities.

The principal expenses involved for participation in international conferences are for transportation and per diem of the delegations both abroad and in the United States, and for administrative expenses incurred in the management of hostship conferences in the United States. Continuing vigorous efforts are being maintained to effect economies in transportation and other conference costs. This appropriation request has been predicated on the employment of less than first-class travel accommodations (i.e., air tourist, economy, excursion, etc.), and on holding the size of delegations to the minimum number and roles of persons required to accomplish the particular U.S. objective at the conference or meeting.

The appropriation requested for fiscal year 1963 provides only for regularly planned and scheduled conferences and for predictable U.S. contributions to new or provisional organizations. In the event unscheduled multilateral activities or conferences develop during fiscal year 1963 as, for example, Foreign Ministers and/or summit-level meetings, disarmament meetings, special sessions of the U.N. General Assembly, etc., the Department may be obligated to submit a request for supplemental funds. The fiscal year 1963 estimate does not provide for these contingencies.

The increase requested in the limitation for representation allowances, presently established at $75,000, is to provide the minimum adequate support for the U.S. delegation to the U.N. Conference on the Application of Science and Technology for the Benefit of Less Developed Areas, as well as anticipated hostship conferences including the North Pacific Fur Seal Commission and the Pan American Highway Congress which will meet at Washington, D.C., in January and May 1963, respectively.