Mr. ROSEN. Fifth, it is public knowledge that the World Youth Festival was a gathering of 36,000 young people from 131 countries. They met, and many were encouraged to attend by their own Governments because of a common desire to live in a peaceful world, and to meet, exchange ideas, and become friends with young people from the other nations of the world. These young people came together on their own volition.

In view of that I don't see how any questions about the festival are within the committee's jurisdiction, since attending such an event is certainly not only not un-American, but is profoundly American, proAmerican; and the question is not pertinent.

Sixth, to attend the festival is merely to exercise your constitutional rights of speech and travel. This committee has no right to prevent young people from attending a festival, either through intimidation by inquiry or by legislation.

Finally, I assert my privilege under the fifth amendment to not be a witness against myself.

(Document marked "Rosen Exhibit No. 1," and retained in committee files.)

Mr. ARENS. There is a question outstanding by the chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Yes. I asked him who the witnesses were who committed perjury before this committee.

Mr. DOYLE. And he also said we encouraged witnesses to lie. The CHAIRMAN. That is all right, but I would like to know who committed perjury because we would like to do something about it. Now, who committed perjury?

Mr. FORER. One at a time.

The CHAIRMAN. Who committed perjury before this committee? (The witness conferred with his counsel.)

Mr. ROSEN. It is, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, a matter of public knowledge that Harvey Matusow, Paul Crouch, Manning Johnson, committed perjury before this committee and this committee has done nothing about that situation.

Mr. ARENS. Did Albert Gaillard commit perjury this morning when he said he knew you as a member of the Communist Party and of a group of comrades who met in closed session with him when he was a Communist?

(The witness conferred with his counsel.)

Mr. ROSEN. I will refuse to answer that question for the reasons I have already given.

Mr. ARENS. I have here an article from the New York Times of July 30, 1957, written from Moscow by Max Frankel, in which he tells about the youth festival in Moscow:

Jacob Rosen, of 636 West 174th Street, Manhattan, a junior at City College, went without sleep to keep things moving. He carried a United States flag at yesterday's opening, dipping it in salute to Nikita S. Khrushchev and other Soviet dignitaries at the Lenin Stadium.

Is that account in error or is that correct?

(The witness confers with his counsel.)

Mr. ROSEN. Well, Mr. Arens, the account is in error, I dipped no flag.

Mr. ARENS. Did you carry a United States flag in the parade?

(The witness conferred with his counsel.)

Mr. ROSEN. I will refuse to answer that question for the reasons previously cited, and particularly because, to my knowledge, it is not unAmerican activity to carry the American flag.

(Document marked "Rosen Exhibit No. 2," and retained in committee files.)

The CHAIRMAN. Then why don't you say "I carried it and I carried it with great pride"? Why don't you say that?

Mr. ROSEN. Mr. Chairman, I assume you are acquainted with the Constitution?

The CHAIRMAN. I know all about the Constitution.

Mr. ROSEN. You know it is improper to ask a question of a person who cites the constitutional privilege. That is just a trick on your part to try to get me to give up my Constitution rights, and it is in keeping with your general activities.

The CHAIRMAN. Go ahead, Mr. Arens.

Mr. ARENS. Did you travel on a United States passport to Red China?

(The witness conferred with his counsel.)

Mr. ROSEN. I refuse to answer that question on the grounds previously cited.

Mr. ARENS. Are you now a member of the Communist Party? Mr. ROSEN. I refuse to answer that question, sir, on the grounds previously cited, and particularly because that is just the kind of question that, while it serves no legislative purpose of any valid sort is the kind of thing that this committee asks over and over again in an attempt to stigmatize individuals, to get them fired from their jobs, in Dutch with their communities, and so on and so forth.

is

The CHAIRMAN. The best way to remove any stigma whatsoever

Mr. ROSEN.

-is to remove this committee The CHAIRMAN. -is to say "No."

Mr. ROSEN. The best way, Mr. Chairman, the American people feel the committee should be abolished.

The CHAIRMAN. Why didn't your congressman vote against this committee?

Mr. ROSEN. Because you, Mr. Walter, and the other members of this committee, I suppose, snuck, in my opinion, anyway, that appropriation through.

The CHAIRMAN. I want to make one statement.

Mr. ROSEN. Anyway, I will ask him.

The CHAIRMAN. You have said that this question concerning your affiliation with the Communist movement serves no legislative purpose. I will tell you what legislative purpose it serves:

If the Government of the United States is going to provide passage to duly accredited delegates, then we are going to have to know what kind of people go to speak for the United States, and certainly it is my hope that those spokesmen for the United States will not be members of a very small, thank God, minority of Communists in this country.

Go ahead, Mr. Arens.

Mr. ROSEN. Mr. Chairman, William Lloyd Garrison said some time ago

The CHAIRMAN. Go ahead, Mr. Arens.

Mr. ARENS. Do you presently have information respecting activities of the Communist Party among youth groups of New York City? Mr. ROSEN. I will refuse to answer that question on the grounds previously cited.

Mr. ARENS. Mr. Chairman, I respectfully suggest that will conclude the staff interrogation of this witness.

The CHAIRMAN. The witness is excused.

Are there any more witnesses?

Mr. ARENS. Yes, we have one more.

Fred Jerome, please come forward and remain standing while the chairman administers an oath.

The CHAIRMAN. Will you raise your right hand?

Do you swear the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. JEROME. I so affirm.

TESTIMONY OF FRED JEROME, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, JOSEPH FORER

Mr. ARENS. Please identify yourself by name, residence, and occupation.

Mr. JEROME. My name is Fred Jerome. I live in New York City at 320 Second Avenue, and I am currently what you might say between occupations.

The CHAIRMAN. Withhold this question. I want to ask Mr. Forer a question.

(Discussion off the record.)

The CHAIRMAN. All right, Mr. Arens.

Mr. ARENS. You are appearing today in response to a subpena that was served upon you by this committee?

Mr. JEROME. Yes.

Mr. ARENS. And you are represented by counsel?

Mr. JEROME. I am.

Mr. ARENS. Counsel, please identify yourself.

Mr. FORER. Joseph Forer.

Mr. ARENS. Mr. Jerome, is there an organization with which you are connected that is located at Room 201, 421 Seventh Avenue, New York?

(The witness confers with his counsel.)

Mr. JEROME. Mr. Arens, I would like to refuse to answer that question on the following grounds:

In the first place, I feel that this question has no bearing whatsoever on un-American activities and therefore is completely irrelevant to the supposed purpose of this committee, and, secondly, I would like to say that I will not put myself in the same category with an admitted Nazi and with someone who brags about his collaboration with those that killed six million of my people.

Thirdly, my conscience will not allow me, especially at a time when swastikas are reappearing on walls from Bonn and to Brooklyn, to cooperate with a committee which cooperates with the Nazi collaborator.

The CHAIRMAN. That is just simply not true, and you know it. That is the Communist Party line.

And, Mr. Arens, I don't want to hear another thing from this witness.

The committee is now adjourned to meet tomorrow morning at 10:00 o'clock.

(Committee members present at the time of recess: Representatives Walter, Doyle, Willis, and Johansen.)

(Whereupon, at 12:15 o'clock p.m., Wednesday, February 3, 1960, the subcommittee recessed, to reconvene at 10:00 o'clock a.m., Thursday, February 4, 1960.)

APPENDIX

The Communist-Directed International Youth Movement

The Communist grand design of world conquest (in its present stage of development) reserves an extremely important place for the so-called international front, which can be construed to be the backbone of a worldwide Communist fifth column.

As far back as in 1926, the ruling body of the international Communist conspiracy, the Comintern, clearly stated that:

The first part of our task is to build up, not only Communist organizations, but other organizations as well; above all, mass organizations sympathizing with our aims and able to aid us for special purposes. *** Besides this, we require a number of more or less firmly established (organizational) fulcrums which we can utilize for our further work, insuring that we are not condemned to the task of only influencing the mass politically, merely to see this mass influence constantly slip through our hands. We must create a whole solar system of organizations and smaller committees around the Communist Party, smaller organizations, so to speak, actually working under the influence of the Party but not under its mechanical control. ***

(O. V. Kuusinen, International Press Correspondence VI, No. 28, April 1926-"Report of the Commission for Work Among the Masses.")

Special attention is given to the youth sector of the international front Communist project, youth holding in its hands the future of mankind. The program of the prototype of the present-day Communistdirected international youth front, of the Young Communist International, as announced on the Fifth YCI Congress in Moscow in 1929, revealed the basic operating techniques of the Communist conspiracy against the youth of the world:

In its struggle against capitalism, the Young Communist League is continually compelled to combine its open legal activity with illegal and semi-legal work and therefore to overstep the limits laid down for it by bourgeois legality. *** For this purpose it creates various legal organizations (including political ones) of the working youth. But the YCL looks upon these organizations only as legal forms of work for the illegal YCL. The founder of the Soviet State, V. I. Lenin, emphasized that:

The whole object of training and educating the youth of today should be to imbue them with Communist ethics. *** Our morality is entirely subordinated to the interests of the class struggle. *** The basis of Communist morality is the struggle for the consolidation of Communism.