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TESTIMONY OF GOVERNOR ROBERT W. SCOTT OF NORTH CAROLINA

BEFORE THE SENATE SUBCOMMITTEE ON EMPLOYMENT, MANPOWER AND POVERTY

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My statement is in the name of Governor Robert W. Scott

of North Carolina, for whom I have the honor of speaking today.

Governor Scott's statement is:

You gentlemen probably have heard more than you want to

hear about the need for manpower reform legislation. I am pleased

to see that the discussion seems no longer to question the need

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desire. That result should be training and jobs available to

all who can and will use the opportunities.

My concern today is not so much with specific legislation,

though there are several bills with very desirable features. My

concern is with basic principles that manpower legislation must,

in my judgment, contain if we are to make the needed improvements

in our manpower programs.

The Governors of this nation are interested in and should

be responsible for developing comprehensive, flexible manpower programs.

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They made this clear in February when the Committee on

Human Resources, on which I serve, and then the full National

Governor's Conference endorsed the principles of the "Comprehensive

Manpower and Employment Act of 1972" (H. R. 13461 and S. 3346).

Although several of my comments today will reflect the situation

in North Carolina, I also speak for the National Governor's

Conference in supporting the thrust of that bill and manpower

reform in general.

To carry out their duty of developing comprehensive

manpower programs, governors should have clear authority to

designate planning areas needed within their states for manpower

purposes.

In North Carolina, we have divided our state into

seventeen multi-county planning regions.

This grouping was

not for manpower planning alone, but also to try to draw

together natural groups of cities and counties to encourage

them to work together in a partnership in leadership with

the state.

Our aim, simply, is to develop each region to its

highest potential.

Attached to this statement is a copy of "North

Carolina State Policy On Regionalism" along with a copy

of "North Carolina Handbook On Regionalism."

These set forth

in considerable detail the logic of our concept of regionalism

in a state that has emerging urban centers of substantial size

and, at the same time, massive portions of its area characterized

by low population density with agriculture as the prime income

source.

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The diversity of the population of North Carolina

- and

the problems resulting from that diversity --make it abundantly

clear that flexibility in manpower planning and in delivery of

manpower training is imperative if each state, in its own way,

is to gain the most from a federally-sponsored effort.

It is only at the state level

not in federal legislation

and not in federal directives

that logical decisions, based on

facts best known by informed state planners and others, can be

made on how to group cities and counties for manpower delivery

purposes.

Without this authority at the state level, we can

easily see the prospect of some of our more urban areas, with

their natural alertness, aggressiveness and venturesomeness,

sinding up with more than their fair share of available manpower

resources.

Please note that I said more than their fair share

of available resources

I certainly don't mean to imply more

than they need, for resources even without so many restraints

are likely to fall short of what is actually needed for most

of our regions. Meanwhile, in some of our more rural

and

frankly more needy

areas, there may not be adequate local

resources to help them find either what they need or what is

actually available to them.

They may not find these programs

and use them, that is, unless the state is left free to

encourage and help in designing programs from a statewide

point of view to see to it that manpower services are available

or as uniform a basis as possible.

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The significance of this approach is documented in

out-migration figures for many of North Carolina's counties and

regions. (A table showing some of the more pertinent figures

is attached.)

In one of our planning regions in northeastern

North Carolina, we had a net out-migration between 1960 and 1970

of 17.8 per cent.

In another nearby region, out-migration was

16.8 per cent.

It was 15 per cent in the region just north of

Raleigh, and it was 9 per cent in four other of our more rural

regions.

Why?

These North Carolinians are leaving because they must go

elsewhere to seek training and jobs.

And, where are they going?

You have but to look up the Eastern Seaboard to

Washington, to Baltimore, to Philadelphia or New York to find

the answers.

And, what happens when they get there?

If they don't wind up being dependent upon public

assistance, they must still be trained for jobs available there.

That is a costly process, one that denies us the

potential of some of our most precious North Carolina citizens

and one that places burdens on other sections of the country that

they do not seem to be able to handle very well.

I submit that for every person trained at this point

in some of the larger cities of the Eastern Seaboard, we in

North Carolina are

resently sending another displaced, untrained

farm worker or another untrained high school dropout who decided

he couldn't make it by staying at home.

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And we are being left often with an aging, unskilled

population or a very youthful unskilled population. Both groups

are consistently identified in all target groups of manpower

programs, and in our state, the evidence suggests that the size

of the target groups is increasing, not decreasing as it should be.

We must devise training programs to reach the people

where they are now.

And, very frankly, with some selfish aims

for we want to train these North Carolinians and keep them

because we need their contributions to the economy as well as

to the cultural and social life of our state.

· And, even if we are not able to succeed in our

ambition to provide jobs all across our state with a growth

policy that will emphasize development of smaller urban

centers throughout our rural areas, we are still better off

if the citizen who does leave has been trained for work before

he leaves.

At the moment, much of the emphasis in manpower

programs is aimed at residents of larger urban areas

and

this is understandable. But such a formula leaves North

Carolina short when we try to deal with our main problem

the relocation into industrial and service occupations

of those who were previously agricultural workers.

Now, let me make this point, very clearly and

very directly. Perhaps at the outset of some of these

manpower programs, there was need for the federal government

to deal more directly and specifically with urban programs

and with non-state-oriented planners and sponsors.

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