Mr. LITTLEFIELD. It is a grouping, if your honor please, beginning on page 588, of items like "General organizing." The first item is "General expense, organizing, $100"; "General organizing' The CHAIRMAN. Is it the purpose of counsel to go over each of the items in that account again with this witness? Mr. LITTLEFIELD. No; just to give the items and put them in an aggregate, so that we can have it in the record. Senator POMERENE. Have you tabulated those items, now? The CHAIRMAN. Then that paper can go into the record without taking the time to go over it in detail now. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. You have prepared a revised list of the items appearing in Exhibit 49, which appear under the heading of either "General expense, organizing," or "Organizing," or "General"? Mr. SACKET. I have. It is as follows: Mr. LITTLEFIELD. They are the only items, are they not, in Exhibit 49, that was before the House committee, that would answer to the designation of general campaign expenses or "general"? Mr. SACKET. Without other explanation, yes, sir. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. They are the only items in the account that would answer to that designation? Mr. SACKET. Yes; without giving the names of the persons to whom the money was paid. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. The others give the names of the persons? Mr. LITTLEFIELD. They state in their report here that the amount was $12,000; and it turned out to be a little less than $3,000. They were only $9,000 out of the way. I think that is all we have to ask Mr. Sacket. The CHAIRMAN. The witness may be excused for the present, and will remain here in attendance. We will now call Mr. Kingsley. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Mr. Van Cleve, if your honor please, is here again, in response to the call of the committee. I do not know how much more you have to ask him, and I do not know whether you are in a position to finish with him and let him go. He is anxious to get back, if you can excuse him. He has the book here that you inquired about. The CHAIRMAN. If Mr. Van Cleve has the book here, we will permit him to come forward. TESTIMONY OF JOHN A. VAN CLEVE Resumed. The CHAIRMAN. What memorandum book is that? Mr. VAN CLEVE. The memorandum book that I used during the campaign in Marinette County. The CHAIRMAN. Does it contain your expenses during the campaign? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. $792? Mr. VAN CLEVE. $792.75; and also a list of those checks that I sent to Mr. Puelicher, aggregating $52,500. The CHAIRMAN. Let the committee have that book. [The book referred to was handed to the chairman.] I find here quite a large number of payments of $5 to men by name, without any indication of the purpose of the payment. For instance, J. L. Gray, the 29th of August, what did you pay him $5 for? Mr. VAN CLEVE. That was for services on election day, or on primary day. The CHAIRMAN. What were the services? Mr. VAN CLEVE. I think, if you will just let me show you on the book, that this is all explained here in the different precincts, for instance. This memorandum book here shows the men that were employed in the different precincts in Marinette County. Here is Amberg, first precinct. In that first precinct I employed John Wood. The CHAIRMAN. What did you employ him to do? Mr. VAN CLEVE. I employed him to get three or four teams on primary day, to have a man at the polls on primary day with the poll list, and to get out the vote. The CHAIRMAN. I desire to turn back now, in this book: "F. E. Noyes." For what purpose did you pay him $200? Mr. VAN CLEVE. That $200 was paid to him for editorial work on the Marinette Eagle. The CHAIRMAN. I would like to know, going back to the item of $5, to which I called your attention, the purpose for which you paid $5 to these men on August 29. Mr. VAN CLEVE. They were all employed for assisting in getting out the vote on primary day. The CHAIRMAN. On September 2-that was election day, was it not? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. I notice you paid on that day six men; five of them you paid $5 each and one of them $8.50. What was that for? Mr. VAN CLEVE. The $8.50, as I recollect it, was paid to Ralph Skidmore. I think that is explained under the township of Lake, right in the first part of the book there. He paid $5 to his stenographer for some work that he had done in his office during the campaign, and $3.50 for a team. The CHAIRMAN. Let us pay some attention to the five men to whom you paid $5 each on election day. For what purpose was that? Mr. VAN CLEVE. It was all paid for the same purpose. That is, either for running teams, or for assisting at the polls with the poll list, or something like that. The CHAIRMAN. You have here, 1908, checks received from Isaac Stephenson and forwarded to J. H. Puelicher, June 28, Stephenson's National, $2,000; July 6, $10,000; August 20, $15,000; August 24, $10,000; August 31, $2,000; September 3, $13,000; making $52,500 which you sent to Mr. Puelicher? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. Did you send that to Mr. Puelicher that he might use it on Senator Stephenson's behalf, for the purpose of promoting his nomination as United States Senator on the direct primary? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Had you ever talked with Mr. Puelicher before you sent any of that money, as to whether or not he intended to support Senator Stephenson? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Did he? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir; that is what the money was sent to him. for. The CHAIRMAN. This book will remain in evidence. Senator SUTHERLAND. The entire expenditure that you made in Marinette County was $792, was it? Mr. VAN CLEVE. It was $792.75. Senator SUTHERLAND. That covered the entire county? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir; the entire county of Marinette; 23 precincts. Senator SUTHERLAND. I was going to ask you how many precincts it included. Mr. VAN CLEVE. Twenty-three. Senator SUTHERLAND. About what was the entire vote of the county? Mr. VAN CLEVE. The entire vote was about 4,200, of which Mr. Stephenson got about 3,000. Senator SUTHERLAND. Did you employ a man in each precinct on that day? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir. Senator SUTHERLAND. More than one man? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir. Senator SUTHERLAND. How many men in a precinct on the day of the primary election? Mr. VAN CLEVE. The exact number is given in the list there. I think it was between 50 and 60 in the county. Senator SUTHERLAND. Between 50 and 60 employed on the day? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir. Senator SUTHERLAND. That would be an average of two or three men to a precinct? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Of course a good many of those precincts are larger; that is, some of them took in three or four congressional townships, and we had to have teams and men to get out the vote. In some of them we had three or four teams; and men at the polls with the poll list, and all that kind of thing. Senator SUTHERLAND. Was any money paid for any other purpose than for teams and men to look over the poll list, and men to bring in the votes? Mr. VAN CLEVE. That is all. There was about $340 that was paid for newspaper service, of which $200 was that item that Senator Heyburn referred to paid to the Eagle Press. The balance of it, $792.75, less the $340, was nearly all of it expended for that purpose on primary day. There was a few dollars listed there for postage, you will see, and smaller items. The bulk of it was spent on primary day to get out the vote, and it was spent for no other purpose. Senator SUTHERLAND. That is all. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. How about the newspaper to which you gave the $200? That was to Mr. Noyes? Mr. VAN CLEVE. That was to Mr. Noyes. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. State whether or not the paper was friendly to Mr. Stephenson before you gave him the money. Mr. VAN CLEVE. Oh, yes. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. It had been supporting him before? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Oh, yes; right along. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Were the men that you employed on election day men that were friendly to Senator Stephenson? Mr. VAN CLEVE. All of them; every one of them. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. State whether or not you ascertained what the fact was in that regard before you made any arrangement with them about their employment. Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. You said that Mr. Puelicher supported Senator Stephenson, and then you stated: "That is what the money was sent to him for." What do you wish to be understood by that? Mr. VAN CLEVE. I hardly know why that question was asked; but, of course, Mr. Puelicher for years had been very friendly to Senator Stephenson. I knew that it would not be otherwise. The CHAIRMAN. Do you desire this witness released to-night? Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Yes, Mr. Chairman. Just a word or two more. Mr. Puelicher managed Senator Stephenson's campaign in 1907, when the Senator was elected, did he not? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes, sir. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. You did not wish to be understood that any of the sums paid to him were paid in consideration of his supporting Senator Stephenson? Mr. VAN CLEVE. No, sir; none whatever. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. I think this witness would like to be excused, if your honor please. The CHAIRMAN. The book will remain in evidence. (The book referred to was received in evidence and marked "Exhibit Van Cleve, No. 2, October 9, 1911.") Senator POMERENE. Was there any other money expended in your county Marinette County, is it? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Yes. Senator POMERENE (continuing). By anyone else in behalf of Senator Stephenson? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Not that I know of. The Senator put the management of the Marinette County campaign in my hands. There was no other money expended in the county except $792.75. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. I think I asked this general question before, but if not, I would like to do it with all witnesses like Mr. Van Cleve. Was any money expended in this county, to your knowledge, for the purpose of bril ing or corrupting any voters in the primary election? Mr. VAN CLEVE. Not a dollar. The CHAIRMAN. The witness that will be called to the stand in the morning will be G. L. Kingsley, and following Mr. Kingsley will be Mr. Blaine. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Does the committee excuse Mr. Van Cleve? Mr. LITTLEFIELD. He will be where you can call him again if you have occasion to do so. The CHAIRMAN. Yes. (Whereupon, at 4.35 o'clock p. m., the subcommittee adjourned until to-morrow, Tuesday, October 10, 1911, at 10 o'clock a. m.) TUESDAY, OCTOBER 10, 1911. FEDERAL BUILDING, Milwaukee, Wis. The subcommittee met at 10 o'clock a. m. Present: Senators Heyburn (chairman), Sutherland, and Pomerene. Present also: Mr. C. E. Littlefield, Mr. W. E. Black, and Mr. H. H. J. Upham, counsel for Senator Isaac Stephenson. The names of C. C. Wellensgard, W. R. Knell, C. S. French, and R. J. Shields were called. Mr. Wellensgard, Mr. Knell, and Mr. French responded to their names, and the oath was administered to them by the chairman. TESTIMONY OF G. L. KINGSLEY. Mr. KINGSLEY, having been heretofore duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: The CHAIRMAN. Where do you reside? Mr. KINGSLEY. Albert Lea, Minn. The CHAIRMAN. What is your occupation? Mr. KINGSLEY. I am the manager of a branch of the John Glenn Brewing Co. The CHAIRMAN. How long have you been so engaged? Mr. KINGSLEY. About a year and eight months. The CHAIRMAN. During the year 1908, from June until January of the following year, in what business were you engaged? Mr. KINGSLEY. I was employed by the State as a deputy game warden. The CHAIRMAN. What was the nature of your appointment? Were you under salary or on a per diem? Mr. KINGSLEY. On a per diem. The CHAIRMAN. With expenses in addition to the per diem? Mr. KINGSLEY. Yes. Mr. LITTLEFIELD. Will the chairman please ask him whether his actual expenses were paid, or if there was an allowance for expenses? The CHAIRMAN. That will be developed by the inquiry. Where did you live at that time? Mr. KINGSLEY. At La Crosse, Wis. |