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S. 174, H.R. 293, H.R. 299, H.R. 496, H.R. 776, H.R. 1762,

H.R. 1925, H.R. 2008, and H.R. 8237

BILLS TO ESTABLISH A NATIONAL WILDERNESS PRESERVATION
SYSTEM FOR THE PERMANENT GOOD OF THE WHOLE PEOPLE,

AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

NOVEMBER 6, 1961-SACRAMENTO, CALIF.

Serial No. 12

PART III

Printed for the use of the
Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON : 1962

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COMMITTEE ON INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS

WAYNE N. ASPINALL, Colorado, Chairman LEO W. O'BRIEN, New York

JOHN P. SAYLOR, Pennsylvania WALTER ROGERS, Texas

J. ERNEST WHARTON, New York GRACIE PFOST, Idaho

E. Y. BERRY, South Dakota JAMES A. HALEY, Florida

JACK WESTLAND, Washington ED EDMONDSON, Oklahoma

CRAIG HOSMER, California J. T. RUTHERFORD, Texas

J. EDGAR CHENOWETH, Colorado WALTER S. BARING, Nevada

GLENN CUNNINGHAM, Nebraska D. S. (JUDGE) SAUND, California

ODIN LANGEN, Minnesota THOMAS G. MORRIS, New Mexico

JOHN KYL, Iowa RALPH J. RIVERS, Alaska

WILLIAM HENRY HARRISON, Wyoming ROY A. TAYLOR, North Carolina

EDWIN R. DURNO, Oregon DAVID S. KING, Utah

PETER H, DOMINICK, Colorado
HAROLD T. JOHNSON, California

HJALMAR C. NYGAARD, North Dakota
JULIA BUTLER HANSEN, Washington
ARNOLD OLSEN, Montana

A. FERNÓS-ISERN (Resident Commissioner), HUGH L. CAREY, New York

Puerto Rico RICHARD (DICK) ICHORD, Missouri

SUBCOMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS

GRACIE PFOST, Idaho, Chair man WALTER S. BARING, Nevada

JOHN P. SAYLOR, Pennsylvania D. S. (JUDGE) SAUND, California

JACK WESTLAND, Washington RALPH J. RIVERS, Alaska

GLENN CUNNINGHAM, Nebraska DAVID S. KING, Utah

ODIN LANGEN, Minnesota HAROLD T. JOHNSON, California

EDWIN R. DURNO, Oregon JULIA BUTLER HANSEN, Washington PETER H. DOMINICK, Colorado ARNOLD OLSEN, Montana

HJALMAR C. NYGAARD, North Dakota RICHARD (DICK) ICHORD, Missouri

MILTON A. PEARL, Consultant on Public Lands

T. RICHARD WITMER, Counsel

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SACRAMENTO, CALIF.

NOVEMBER 6, 1961

Statement of -

Kenneth Anderson, Roosevelt, Calif.

Mrs. J. B. Atkisson, conservation chairman, California Federation

of Women's Clubs ...

H. C. Bradley, M.D., Berkeley, Calif-
David Brower, Berkeley, Calif--
Mrs. Hasse Bunnelle, Berkeley, Calif.
Elizabeth Buykry, Long Beach, Calif.

Mrs. Betty Č. Carl, chairman, Pioneer Camping Committee, Camp

Fire Girls, Sacramento, Calif.

Rev. Don M. Chase, St. Andrews Methodist Church, Sacramento,

Calif

Lewis F. Clark, president, Federation of Western Outdoor Clubs,

Alameda, Calif.

Mrs. LaVerne N. Cohen, Sacramento, Calif..

Harold E. Crowe, M.D., honorary vice president, Sierra Club, Los

Angeles, Calif.

Paul Cooley, Los Angeles, Calif.

Rav Crane, Crane Mills, Corning, Calif

John Parkes Davis, attorney at law, New Verde Mines Co., Grass

Valley, Calif..

John B. DeWitt, Sacramento, Calif.

George D. Difani, representing the Associated Sportsmen of California -

Stuart R. Dole, on behalf of Trustees for Conservation..

John C. Dozier, professional forester, representing the Madera County

Chamber of Commerce.

Fred H. Dressler, Gardnersville, Nev., president, American National

Cattlemen's Association.

Beula Edminston, secretary of the Committee for the Preservation of

the Tule Elk, Los Angeles, Calif.

Philip W. Faulconer, Berkeley, Calif...

Sheldon P. Fay, president, U.S. Pumice Supply Co., Inc., Los Angeles,

Calif...

Glen D. Franklin, on behalf of the Alaska Miners Association, Fair-

banks, Alaska.
Gretchen Fitzpatrick, vice president, Carmichael Garden Club,

Carmichael, Calif.
Robert Frenkel, Berkeley, Calif.
Gordon A. Goodwin, chairman, Public Lands Committee, Western

Oil & Gas Association..
Louis D. Gordon, Phoenix, Ariz., representing the Nevada Mining

Association, Inc.-

W. Howard Gray, Nevada Mining Association, Inc.

Mrs. Fern Hall, San Francisco, Calif., representing the California

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Bill Hawkins, Pacific Union College.

Ralph Hawkins, M.D., Palo Alto, Calif

Samuel G. Houghton, Reno, Nev.

Mrs. Lisa Howard, Sacramento, Calif.

Joe Hughes, Hughes Bros., Foresthill, Calif.

E. P. Ivory, Western Lumber Manufacturers, Inc., San Francisco,

Calif..

Mrs. Del Mar Janson, Sacramento, Calif.

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Statement of—Continued

Arthur B. Johnson, consulting engineer, West Covina, Calif.
Don Greame Kelley, San Anselmo, Calif.
Frank P. Knight, director, Arizona Department of Mineral Re-

sources, Phoenix, Ariz.
Jerry Lausmann, manager, Kogap Lumber Co., Medford, Oreg -
William H. Larson, manager, Washington Forest Protection Associa-

tion, Seattle, Wash.
Howard R. Leach, president, Sacramento Audubon Society
Robert Marshall, Pomona, Calif.
Warner L. Marsh, vice president, American Institute of Landscape

Architects, Sacramento, Calif...
Mrs. Charlotte E. Mauk, Berkeley, Calif.
Harvey C. McGee, publisher, Sonora Union Democrat, Sonora,

Calif.
Jack M. Merelman, legislative consultant, County Supervisors Associ-

ation of California, Sacramento, Calif.
Mrs. Charles Miller, Alameda, Calif..
Ralph A. Nissen, California Farm Bureau Federation, Williams,

Calif
Edgar F. Norby, administrative officer, Madera County Board of

Supervisors, Madera, Calif
Grant B. Potter, general manager, Sequoia Forest Industries, Dinuba,

Calif.
Roland Case Ross, educational director, Desomount Club, Pasadena,

Calif..
J. Harold Severaid, associate professor of life science, Sacramento

State College, Sacramento, Calif.
Luella:K. Sawyer, editor, San Francisco, Calif.
Dorothy B. Sanders, Nevada City, Calif..
Mrs. Madeline M. Sheridan, Sacramento, Calif
Mrs. Genny Schumacher, Mono County, Calif
Leslie Shaw, editor, Lake County Examiner, Lakeview, Oreg.
Richard C. Sill, associate professor of physics, University of Nevada,

Reno, Nev.
Edwin F. Smith, Placerville, Calif
Charlotte Stephens, Sebastopol, Calif.
George N. Swallow, Ely, Nev., representing the Central Committee

of the State Grazing Board of Nevada
Irving J. Symons, California State Chamber of Commerce, Sonora,

Calif.
John Tyler, Santa Monica, Calif., vicc chairman, southern California

chapter of the Nature Conservancy.
Gordon Van Vleck, president, California Cattlemen's Association, San

Francisco, Calif.
Thomas N. Walthier, district geologist, Southwest District Bear Creek

Mining Co., Tucson, Ariz..
Mrs. H. M. Weber, representing the California Federation of Women's

Clubs
Henry M. Weber, M.D., conservation chairman, California Garden

Clubs, Inc., Indio, Calif.
William E. Warne, adıninistrator, the Resources Agency of California -
F. T. Wilmoth, Minerals Association of Northern California, Auburn,

Calif
Sam L. Wolf, member of the Range Improvement Committee, Cali-

fornia Wool Growers Association.
Mrs. Effie C. Yeaw, Save the American River Association, Sacramento,

Calif.

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WILDERNESS PRESERVATION SYSTEM

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 1961

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS OF THE
COMMITTEE ON INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS,

Sacramento, Calif. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, in room 4203, State Capitol Building, at 10:10 a.m., Hon. Gracie Pfost (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mrs. PFOST. The Subcommittee on Public Lands will now come to order for the consideration of proposed wilderness legislation.

Before we start this morning the Chair would like to make an announcement that even though we should like very much to accommodate tape recorders, TV stations, and photographers, the rules of the House prevent us from having pictures taken or tape recordings made during a regular session. Therefore, if a picture is needed or wanted, we shall be very happy to temporarily recess, allow the picture to be made, and then go back into session so that we can accommodate anyone who wishes to take pictures.

Before we start, we should like to introduce the members of our subcommittee.

To my immediate left is the gentleman from Alaska, Congressman Ralph Rivers, and to his left the Congressman from North Dakota, Mr. Nygaard. And to my right, I am sure I do not need to introduce this gentleman because you people probably know him almost better than those of us serving on the committee with him because I understand he was in your State legislature for 10 years and lives just 18 miles from the heart of Sacramento, the Honorable Harold Johnson from your own beautiful Sacramento Valley area.

Then we have our staff members: our consultant on public lands, to Mr. Johnson's right, Mr. Milton Pearl, and to his right is the counsel of our committee, Mr. Richard Witmer, and down in front is our reporter, Mr. Karl Veley.

I am delighted to come back to the lovely, sunshiny Sacramento Valley. I have been here several times and have some friendships of long standing, and it is always a pleasure to return again.

The Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs of the House of Representatives has had referred to it eight wilderness bills, but in the interest of time, we are going to refer today to S. 174, the Senatepassed bill which has also been referred to our committee.

Within the Interior and Insular Affairs Committee I have the honor to serve as the chairman of the Subcommittee on Public Lands, which is charged with the direct responsibility for examining the need for legislation in this field and making recommendations to the full com

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