and with facilities and equipment that are not in use by public institutions. We should have the opportunity to demonstrate this.

We have fought this battle for a number of years because we feel very strongly that we have resources, equipment, materials, everything to solve the problems in vocational education or help solve them. We do not have all the answers but all we want is an effort to utilize it and take our part and take our place in the vocational education

scene.

Senator MORSE. I think they are vitally important amendments and I will insert them at this point because I am giving an assignment now to Dr. Johnson and Dr. Venn. I ask the Department to prepare a brief on these amendments proposed by these two gentlemen setting forth the position of the Office of Education on each and the basis for that position, setting forth any suggestions that the Department wants to make for any modification of language in these amendments. I assign the counsel of the committee to the responsibility after we receive the memorandum from the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare to supplement their memorandum with the recommendations, for executive session, of both the majority and the minority counsel in regard to these amendments, and that copies of the memorandum submitted to the committee by Dr. Johnson and Dr. Venn be transmitted to Mr. Elkins for any supplemental statements you may wish to make in regard to them.

(The proposed amendments follow:)

PROPOSED AMENDMENTS OF THE NATIONAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TRADE AND TECHNICAL SCHOOLS, TO THE VOCATIONAL EDUCATION ACT OF 1963 AND S. 3099

1. Section 1 of the Vocational Education Act and Section 101 of S. 3099 be amended by inserting at the end thereof the following ;

"It is the intent of Congress that the States shall carry out their responsibilities under this Act through the maximum utilization of all high-quality resources for skill development and vocational educational training where such institutions can provide substantially equivalent training at a lesser cost or where they can provide equipment or services not available in public institutions or where they can make a significant contribution to attaining the objective of the Act."

2. Section 4 (a) of the Vocational Education Act is amended by striking out the period at the end of paragraph (6), inserting a semicolon in lieu thereof, and adding the following new paragraph:

**(7) Provision of vocational training through arrangement with private vocational training institutions where such private institutions can provide substantially equivalent training at a lesser cost or where they can provide equipment or services not available in public institutions or where they can make a significant contribution to attaining the objectives of the State plan."

3. Section 5 (a) (2) of the Vocational Act is amended by striking the word "and" immediately following the comma after paragraph (5) and inserting a comma after paragraph (6) and adding thereafter “and (7).”

4. Section 5 (a) (3) of the Vocational Educational Act is amended by adding the following thereto :

"in the case of training to be provided under paragraph (7) of section 4 (a), minimum qualifications for teachers, teacher trainers, supervisors, directors, and others having responsibilities under the State plan through an arrangement with private educational or training institutions, shall be consistent with any existing statutes, laws, rules, and regulations as they pertain to said qualifications for private educational or training institutions. In the absence of State standards for private institutions, schools accredited by nationally recognized accrediting agencies could be used.

5. Section 6 (b) of the Vocational Act is amended by striking the word "and" following the comma after paragraph (5) and inserting a comma after paragraph (6) and by adding: “and (7)."

6. Section 104 (b) (1) (B) of S 3099 is amended on line 4 on page 8 by striking the word "non-profit."

7. Section 207 (a) (2) (A) of S 3099 is amended on line 10, page 15, by inserting after "technical institutes" the following:

"private trade and technical schools".

8. Section 210 of S 3099 is amended on page 21, line 18, by inserting after "higher education" the following:

"private trade and technical schools".

9. Section 212 of S 3099 is amended on line 14, page 22, by inserting after the word "agencies" the following:

"and private trade and technical schools".

10. Section 218 of S 3099 is amended on line 11, page 29, by inserting after "programs" the following:

"persons from the private trade and technical school field, and"

11. Section 219 of S 3099 is amended on line 7, page 33, by inserting after "agencies" the following:

"private trade and technical schools".

One last point of interest to the Committee. We have read with interest the report of the National Commission of Civil Disorder which was just recently published. One recommendation for national action was as follows:

"Reoriented vocational education emphasizing work-experience training and the involvement of business and industry."

This reaffirms our feelings that the facilities of private trade and technical schools must be utilized to the greatest extent possible.

Before closing my testimony I would like to say on behalf of the private trade and technical schools of America that we will re-dedicate ourselves to doing an even better job than we have done in the past in turning out trained personnel who will meet the needs of commerce, industry, government and national defense.

I also wish to express my appreciation for the opportunity of appearing be fore this Committee.

Mr. ELKINS. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Senator MORSE. Thank you very much.

Dr. Venn and Dr. Johnson, do you have any comments or questions you want to raise on Mr. Elkins' testimony?

Mr. VENN. I would think not. Just one point, Mr. Chairman, we are working with the National Industrial Conference Board in the Advertising Council and funds are being provided by the National Industrial Conference Board to the 30 largest industries in the country to have soon on the air through national televised slips urging young people to take advantage of vocational technical education throughout the country, and this will be a nationwide effort. Funds provided by the National Industrial Conference Board for this courtesy advertising to bring this to the attention of the young people all over the country, and we hope that this will help to satisfy the opportunity for these young people, so this may help some.

Senator MORSE. Dr. Venn, I do not want to put all the responsibility on the Department, but you heard the colloquy between Senator Yarborough and the chairman of the committee on the importance of fully informing every GI as to the opportunities available to him under the Yarborough bill. We think it is very important to the economy of the country that the GI's be given further training in this field and we must have the cooperation of the Veterans' Administration to that end. All you people are responsible to a great degree for carrying out the objective of our vocational training legislation. I respectfully suggest that within the policies of protocol that I am

among the Federal agencies, you tactfully call to the attenVeterans' Administration the problem that confronts them is committee and see whether you can be helpful to the Administration in giving them information that they y are overlooking as to the intent and policy of the Congress xpressed legislation in this field. I think it is desirable that the confrontation, for if they want it they will lose. st that you have an informal conference with the Veterans' ation.

of the committee suggests that the Federal Interagency on Education under Assistant Secretary Miller could very lized in carrying out the chairman's suggestion.

to say quite frankly that I do not intend to stand by if on shows that the Veterans' Administration is following policy as the Senator from Texas has been informed is y. For if it is, then the Veterans' Administration is seeking it the intent of the Congress, and we can well get along yone in the Veterans' Administration who is following

ou very much.

INS. Thank you, sir.

LICH. Thank you, sir.

MORSE. Our next witness will be Mr. Floyd D. Johnson, of the American Vocational Association, and his associate Mr. Lowell A. Burkett, executive director.

en, please come forward and proceed in your own way.

T OF FLOYD D. JOHNSON, PRESIDENT, AMERICAN VOCAASSOCIATION; ACCOMPANIED BY LOWELL A. BURKETT, [VE DIRECTOR

NSON. Mr. Chairman and members of the Subcommittee on I am Floyd D. Johnson, a high school teacher from York, resident of the American Vocational Association. On behalf 00 members of our association, may I express our sincere n for this opportunity to present to you our views on legiserning vocational-technical and practical arts education. erican Vocational Association is a private, nonprofit eduganization. Our members are teachers, supervisors, guidance administrators, and teacher-educators engaged in the many ork pertaining to vocational-technical and practical arts We are a federation of State associations. Our primary misomote, expand, and improve vocational-technical and pracducation.

House of Delegates, at our most recent convention held in 967, adopted a series of resolutions relating to legislation nal education. With your permission, Mr. Chairman, I to submit for the record of this hearing a copy of these They reflect the collective views of our members regarding ion now under consideration, as well as our views on legisthat are not encompassed in S. 3099.

g my brief statement, our executive director, Mr. Lowell A. Il speak to the specific provisions of S. 3099.

Senator MORSE. They will be inserted in the record, however, at this

point.

Mr. ELKINS. Yes, please.

(The material referred to follows:)

SELECTED FEDERAL PROGRAMS INVOLVING PROPRIETARY SCHOOLS

The following are twenty (20) federal programs that involve proprietary schools either through an “under contract" relationship of the institution and the federal government or through financial aid to students enrolled in the schools. (A) "UNDER CONTRACT" TRAINING

1. Vocational Rehabilitation Act of June 2, 1920, as amended, 29 U.S.C. 31 et seq.

2. Manpower Development and Training Act of 1962, as amended, 42 U.S.C. 2571; P.L. 89-792.

3. Indian Adult Vocational Education; 25 U.S.C. 309, 452, 823 (c).

4. Economic Opportunity Act of 1964, as amended, 42 U.S.C. 2701 et seq: P.L. 89-794.

5. Government Employee's Training Program (P.L. 89-554); 5 U.S.C. 41014118.

6. Economic Development Administration (P.L. 89-5); 42 U.S.C. 2583.

7. Vocational Education Act of 1963 (P.L. 88-210); Sec. 8(1).

8. Veteran's Vocational Rehabilitation; 38 U.S.C. 1501-1511.

9. Social Security Amendments Act of 1967 (P.L. 90-248); Title II: Public Welfare Work Training Programs.

(B) STUDENT FINANCIAL GRANTS, LOANS, OR TAX BENEFITS

10. Social Security Student Dependents (P.L. 89-97); See Sec. 202(d) (8) (C). 11. F.E.C.A. Student Dependents (P.L. 89-488); See Sec. 10(M). 12. Railroad Retirement Student Dependents (P.L. 89-700); See Sec. 5(1)(D). 13. Civil Service Retirement Student Dependents (P.L. 89-504); 5 U.S.C. 22512268; See Sec. 2251 (j) and Sec. 2260, and P.L. 89-554; Sec. 8341.

14. War Orphans Educational Assistance; 38 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.

15. Veterans Readjustment Benefits Act of 1966 (P.L. 89-358); See Sec. 1652(c), 16. Vocational Loans to Indians; 25 U.S.C. 471.

17. Vocational Loans to Eskimos; 25 U.S.C. 479.

18. National Vocational Student Loan Insurance (P.L. 89-287).

19. Income Tax Deduction for Student Dependents; 26 U.S.C. 151 (e) (4). 20. Student Dependency and Indemnity Compensation for Veteran's Children' 38 U.S.C. 104, 414 (c).

STATEMENT OF POSITION

Mr. ELKINS. The National Association of Trade & Technical Schools has made a careful study of congressional interest in the field of vocational education over the last 50 years, including the Vocational Education Act of 1963.

We agree with the statement made by Harold Howe II, U.S. Commissioner of Education, to the House General Subcommittee on Education on February 20, 1968, where he stated:

Although there has been a general increase in the number of students enrolled in vocational education programs and the amount of dollars being spent on education and research, progress in vocational education over the past five years has not been fully satisfactory. Imagination geared to the development of new programs has not become the hallmark of vocational education.

Lowell Burkett of the American Vocational Association has stated: For too long, we-vocational educators have tended to have a vested interest in our own occupational specialties. This has deterred the total program vocational education.

at the third general session AVA Convention, Cleveland, ember 6, 1967.

erational problem related to traditional occupational trainbe overcome if we are to develop, in the next decade, a system onal education which is highly significant in terms of reess to the Nation's manpower needs. We cannot continue to xtremely high unemployment rates for our youth; we cannot illion youngsters a year to drop out of schools; we cannot gnore the training needs of youth and adults with less thàn ol education who suffer an unemployment rate of 23.1 perally, we cannot overlook the needs of our cities where unnt is chronic, nor can we overlook the needs for education ing of minority groups living in these urban areas. we are proposing legislation to increase the effectiveness of rograms of vocational education and to support and encourstablishment of new programs of vocational education for nrollments in vocational education programs have increased oly since the enactment of the Vocational Education Act of e are still many millions of young people to reach if we are sting needs, particularly among the disadvantaged. Adult t constitutes 42 percent of the total enrollment for vocacation programs. Currently approximately 3 million of the youngsters enrolled in high school are being reached. Of ents only 1.7 million or approximately 14 percent are receivtional training leading to gainful employment. This means 0 to 60 percent of students who leave school or graduate school each year and do not go on to college have had little paration for the world of work. Of this number less than 4 young people age 18 to 21 years go on to enroll in postinstitutions. Only 1 percent of the vocational educational e receiving special services for special needs, including those ed by disadvantaged background.

gly support the purpose of S. 3099-to assist local schools Nation in developing vocational education programs to nt and future manpower needs by emphasizing new proyouth and by encouraging the development of more proLe postsecondary level.

, we find that private trade and technical schools have been rlooked under the Vocational Education Act of 1963.

ld like to raise a question of public policy-should proade and technical schools be utilized under the Vocational Act of 1963?

already pointed out some 20 Federal programs relating to vhich involve proprietary trade and technical schools. ample of the job that has been done by the private trade cal schools we refer to the report of Secretary Gardiner the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare in his t to the Congress on Manpower Development Training

manpower training projects in 28 states involved private schools in of these ways during the year. The cost was about 6.8 million dollars, nees were enrolled.